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November 15, 2007
CLASSICAL IS HERE!
Sound the trumpets! Pandora and the Music Genome Project now officially include a great collection of classical recordings from across all of the major periods of classical music... and we are furiously adding more. For all those of you who typed 'Mozart', we can now promise you a musical reply :)
On Tuesday night we held a launch party for Classical music at the Regency Center in San Francisco. What a special evening it was, including, for lack of a more descriptive term, a three-dimensional Pandora performance, video to follow soon. About 300 people came for a night of 'live Pandora' in the capable hands of our chief musicologist Nolan Gasser,the 36-piece Jubilate Orchestra from our hometown of Oakland, and former lead trumpeter for the Canadian brass, Jens Lindemann. And suitably sponsored by our great partner Bose.

What a great evening. Great food, conversation, and music. We hope this will be the beginning of a long and rich relationship with classical music and the world that surrounds it. Rather than try to describe the event, I'll let the video do the talking. In the meantime, feast yourselves on Pandora's new, 20,000 recording-strong and fast growing collection of classical tunes.
Enjoy!
Tim (Founder)
Posted by Tim Westergren at November 15, 2007 09:55 PM
Comments
All I can say is thank you, thank you, thank you for such a wonderful contribution to music lovers all over the world!!!
I have Pandora on 24/7 at home and at work.
Once again, THANK YOU!!!
Irene
Posted by: Irene at November 16, 2007 04:45 AM
YES! I'm listening to my Chopin mix as I type!! Now why I, as a trumpet player, chose Chopin first, is beyond me. Oh, that's right it's early in the a.m. and I didn't want something loud and boisterous. Thank you!!!
Posted by: Larry Beck at November 16, 2007 08:00 AM
Well well well. Interesting development, isn't it. I tested it out. It's actually not so bad.
Dvorak --> Sibelius and Tchaikovsky. Makes perfect sense.
Walton --> Shostakovich and W. Schumann. Ok, a bit odd but still makes some sense.
But out of these six composers, five of them was a symphony movement. That seems a bit odd.
Villa-Lobos --> Prokofiev. Ok, makes sense too. And that time it went from Bach Brasil #4 (not #5!), and went to Romeo and Juliet, a ballet. Good.
I kinda wonder, is there only one recording of any given piece in here? WOuld make some sense as this is about the music and not performance, but it might also give too much weight on those specific ones. Is there a reason for chooseing certain ones? Obviously label matters.
I also searched for Alfven, Godowsky, Glinka, and Roussel. No dice. Granted, this is just the beginning, and I can see them thinking more towards the 'big' names, but especially with Naxos's catalog there, I would hope that lesser composers are added for the exact reason that this site is so fantastic in the first place...
-Joshua
Posted by: Joshua at November 16, 2007 10:47 AM
This is best news I've heard today.
Thanks, Pandora!
Posted by: Eman at November 16, 2007 11:50 AM
Woo! Finallly!
Posted by: Jeffrey R Glenn at November 16, 2007 01:43 PM
Yesssss!!!!!!! Thank you -- now I can listen to Pandora 24/7! Used to look for other sources in the mornings for classical.
Posted by: George Dumas at November 16, 2007 08:34 PM
YES, YES! ITS ABOUT TIME YIP YEE
Posted by: Roland at November 17, 2007 03:15 PM
Great news. I can't wait to start using it. Thanks you so much.
Posted by: regina at November 17, 2007 10:17 PM
THANK you so much!...
( I'm listening To Amadeus's works right now :D)
all the other things expected is to have a Pandora Player for Mobiles...
that would be awesome...not?
Posted by: Shahab at November 18, 2007 10:57 AM
That's great! Now, how about a more extensive Ska and Oi! collection?
Also, have you considered making a pandora gadget for the Window's Vista desktop? That would rock!
Posted by: Kayleigh at November 18, 2007 02:12 PM
Thanks so much for the classical music genome.
I am a teacher and have been refering Jazz Students to Pandora since I found out about it a year and a half ago.
I can noe refer all of my classical students.
I just wish you would be able to list the players we are listening to. i.e. who is on drumset, who is playing bass, piano, or lead trumpet etc.
Posted by: Brian at November 18, 2007 03:13 PM
That's great! I never understood why I couldn't find classical on Pandora.
Thanks so much for rounding out my musical experience.
-Ixty
Posted by: Ixty at November 18, 2007 05:19 PM
Thank you Tim. Thank you so very much.
You've improved my life even more.
I only hope that by spreading the word I can repay your kindness and hard work.
Posted by: Aaron Klenke at November 18, 2007 09:25 PM
I think that what you're doing is great, it's about time people started figuring out what to do with the internet. As a computer programmer I have to appreciate the fact that you guys are building an incredibly useful and valuable database, it will be interesting to see what uses you can find for this information in the future. I'm a new user (2 days now) but I am glad to hear that you have symphonic music, I use the term symphonic as I realize that the term 'classical music' refers to music composed during the 75 year period from about 1750 to 1825. It's also good to know that you have such a wealthy partner in the Bose corporation it's just too bad they can't make a decent sounding speaker system and it's sad that they have fooled so many people into thinking they're great, they're good at marketing not audio. I'm sorry for sounding like a pompous beep but it upsets me that so many people have to live with horrible fidelity because they are led like cattle to the slaughter and are rarely given the chance to hear the difference between a really good system and a mediocre one. Enough already, keep up the good work and one day computers will be able to create music for individuals based on their previous preferences and current mood or maybe some kind of biofeedback mechanism that allows the computer to judge how much you like what you're hearing and adjust accordingly.
Posted by: Scott Bringe at November 19, 2007 07:38 AM
At last! Brilliant news! But!
I'm curious that when I created one of my first classical stations, from Franz Liszt's Liebestraume no. 3, when it went to the next song it told me it would be playing me songs by a "well-known composer" as one of the criteria. Sure enough, the list so far is Beethoven, Liszt, Schumann and Brahms. Now while I've enjoyed all the selections, "classical" [sic] is the area I know the least about, and was rather hoping I might get to discover a wider range of composers thanks to this addition to the Music Genome. It seems that with this factor as a "musical attribute", Pandora is deliberately avoiding such tracks which is a little against one of the main points of the service.
So have I missed some option to turn off this tendency? If not, this was my user feedback and you know what to do with it!
Posted by: Will at November 19, 2007 08:17 AM
Thank you. I really love your service, and now I love it even more. I can't believe you kicked off this genre with a whopping 18 sub-genres. What a great start!
I'd love to see another sub-genre, light classical, or "pops". Selections in this category appear to be kind of thin right now. I'm particularly partial to the music of the Strauss family, Offenbach, etc. I hope you'll be able to add them soon.
Once again, thank you.
Posted by: Bernie at November 19, 2007 12:06 PM
I understand you may not be able to get the release for his music but I'd really love to see some John Williams
Posted by: Mister Basmt at November 19, 2007 02:54 PM
Wonderful! I'm happy to see Pandora grow and grow to satisfy all musical ears!
May I suggest a Contemporary Christian music channel? It would be another well-appreciated genre that I'm sure would find great use.
Give it some thought, yea?
Posted by: Alyssa Grisham at November 19, 2007 03:13 PM
Thanks Pandora! I wouldn't say I'm much of a classical fan. I don't really know enough about it. But ever since I first heard about Pandora having classical one day, I've been waiting for this moment. I think Pandora is the perfect way for me to start to explore classical in more detail.
Posted by: Anthony at November 19, 2007 08:24 PM
Oh happy day! :) Your email with starter stations listed classical, romantic and baroque. How are your current holdings of renaissance and medieval? Can you recommend a name or two to seed out from into those territories? I started with John Dowland but it's going baroque; other names I've tried aren't found yet. Thanks so much!
Posted by: Diana at November 20, 2007 05:59 AM
YAY! Now I've got Mozart!!! SO so glad classical is here!!! I have told tons of folks about Pandora.com!
Posted by: Anne at November 20, 2007 06:49 AM
You proved my point once again - Pandora is the greatest thing on the internet right now, and it keeps getting better!
Posted by: scarpia at November 20, 2007 06:54 AM
At last! Music for mornings! I can only wonder if your genomic analysis of classical music will lead me to new discoveries as your other selections have. Since my very first listen, I have never been disappointed. Now, if Santa can come through with my Slim Transporter, I'll get Pandora all over the house...
Many thanks!
Posted by: Bob Sutton at November 20, 2007 07:06 AM
Bravo! Well done. Thank you, thank you.
Posted by: Doug at November 20, 2007 07:27 AM
You finally tackled the monster! Awesome. A coworker and fellow music enthusiast were lamenting the absence of classical recently. I'm glad to see that you didn't forget.
Posted by: Egaeus at November 20, 2007 10:57 AM
Wow. I just listened to Mahlers Symphony #1. I must say, PANDORA presents the absolute clearest signal on the web. I'm real picky about music and whethr it's Enigma, Journey, Iron Maiden or Mahler it is clear as a bell. Once again I'm blown away.
Dwight
Posted by: Dwight Heath at November 20, 2007 12:02 PM
How come I am not invited?
This could be the biggest news in music history. Pandora's selection of music is excellent and the POOLing is much better than Slacker or Last FM.
Now you are in classical field, I just know you can do a much better job than the other guys...
Way to go, Pandora, just do not forget to invite us fans for Classical Music party...
Posted by: Paul Hsieh at November 20, 2007 05:14 PM
Not to be a snob, but if you are going to start playing classical music, you have to at least offer the choice of defining the full piece of music as the "song," not just one movement. It is annoying to say the least to hear just a fragment of a piece you've come to appreciate in its whole and then move on. Please give us credit for a longer attention span.
Posted by: Alan Morse at November 20, 2007 05:23 PM
Paul, while I wouldn't object to having that option, (and it sounds like some of the record companies sadly would) I think that would defeat the purpose of Pandora, which is to be a music discovery radio station. Listening to the full duration of a symphony or similar is a big commitment of time. Assuming that you'll only spend in excess of an hour listening to something if you like it, there are two possible descriptions of your position:
- You've heard it before and you want to listen to it
- You haven't heard it before and you like what you hear
If you are in boat number one, then you want something Pandora isn't for, and should really just own it. If not, then Pandora is still ideal for you, because as soon as you find something new that you like, and decide you want to hear the full work, you can download it from a digital store with the first movement ready to listen to in about a minute. If it takes a minute of listening to decide to get it, it's really not that big an investment of time on the scale of the hour(s) you're about to spend listening to the work.
Posted by: Will at November 21, 2007 07:49 AM
Just THANK YOU - how beautifully excellent to have the option of classical music via Pandora. You are an amazing service & I appreciate you very much! Katie in Colorado
Posted by: Katie K at November 21, 2007 11:20 AM
Thank you EVER so much; I just LOVE my Pandora station: { a short quote from my --as YET-- "private" "Station Description" }..... but then I keep "VARIETY" & FRANKLY; that's what I LIKE about pandora; is -as it's creators INTENDED- it's "EXPOSURE" to me, of new artists; that withOUT pandora I would not have been EXPOSED to; "Widening my HORIZONS" as it were. ( cool :-) WAY cool.
Posted by: Randy at November 22, 2007 12:40 AM
Yay! Thanks so much for adding the Classical genre!
Posted by: wendopolis at November 22, 2007 10:09 AM
Thank you for adding this Genre. I really appreciate it. I have been trying to Mozart's Mass in C minor - the soprano Arias - 'Laudamus Te' and 'Et incarnatus est' to add to my radio. I entered the composition names but I can't seem to find them. Am i not searching right?
Posted by: Karen at November 22, 2007 06:44 PM
I really like the music I'm so happy to know that Classical music can be played on the Pandora now?bye for now
Posted by: Beth Hamm at November 23, 2007 10:39 PM
This is a very impressive experiment. First, the quality of the sound is excellent. Thanks for choosing 128kbps and not 32!
However, I second the point made earlier about single tracks. Classical music does not have the concept of a "song" in the pop music sense. I created a playlist for Edgard Varese and Pandora chose the first movement of Varese's Déserts, but because the CD is broken into separate tracks for each section of the piece, the opening of Déserts was immediately conjoined with the first movement of Stravinsky's Agon, which then led to the first movement of Carter's Piano Concerto. A very dizzying mashup, to be sure. And, there seems to be no way to get back to the rest of Déserts. This can be very frustrating.. at least for classical music, which doesn't follow the pop model.
Posted by: rchrd at November 24, 2007 01:55 PM
Wow, I can't wait to see who comes out of my 2-minute old Tchaikovsky station! Thanks so much for releasing this...my love of classical has been rekindled! ^^
Posted by: kagitsune at November 24, 2007 08:04 PM
Brilliant, what a relief this is! Thank you to the entire Pandora team for making this a reality. Ahhhh... *dives in*
Posted by: cicero3558 at November 26, 2007 08:29 AM
I can't tell you how long I've waited to hear this!
Posted by: Stephanie at November 26, 2007 12:03 PM
Much anticipated! Thanks!
Posted by: T at November 26, 2007 04:37 PM
Cheers for diversity. Here's fuel for inclusion:
In classical art music, 'genre' refers to instrumentation as much as style. For example, string quartet is a genre; solo voice with piano accompaniment is another.
Will world music be next?
Posted by: Qian at November 28, 2007 10:29 AM
Nice addition,
I like to mix things up a bit, but putting Satie into my low-key pop mix leads to a three or four song block of Bartok, Debussy, etc. I like the pieces, and they fit into the mix well, but is there a way to intersperse them?
thanks
Posted by: marc at November 28, 2007 03:11 PM
Hooray!!
Now I'm in a quandary: I want to start exploring classical on pandora but I don't want to stop the great quickmix I'm listening to now. Maybe you could play a lousy tune so I can move on to classical! ;)
ok, new tune coming up...nope. This one's great too!
Posted by: psy at November 30, 2007 11:31 AM
I am happy to find classical music as a new option on Pandora, but I agree with some earlier comments about the LENGTH of the piece. As a classical musician, I find it a bit odd to just hear an "Adagio" from a symphony or quartet without the rest of the piece. Since commercial radio stations almost always play the entire piece, why can't Pandora? If listeners want to hear a greater variety of music, then perhaps there could be two options: track by track mix or piece by piece. This would satisfy more traditional listeners like myself who dislike the "jilted" feeling of Pandora's classical offerings, while offering other listeners the chance to expand their knowledge of classical composers' work.
Thanks for the amazing service that you are providing!
Posted by: Emily at November 30, 2007 12:15 PM
Hooray for classical--now you have completely rounded out my study music, and given me options for great workplace music!
I wonder though, could you possibly add a movie soundtrack option? I was looking for Jean-Yves Tibaudet (Pride and Prejudice) and couldn't find it--but that would be a fun option to have. Not having soundtracks leaves a gap in orchestral and big band compostitions...
Posted by: laura at December 2, 2007 12:45 PM
I vacationed at Sedona AZ recently and hiked the RED ROCKS there. It is MOST BEAUTIFUL there. I am making a DVD mixing music with my still pictures. I discovered NATIVE AMERICAN music and it is a wonderful mix of old and new. For instance you might want to listen to Shelley Morningsong's album OUT OF THE ASHES. Pure Art. For a glimpse go to www.shelleymorningsong.com
Right now listening to my Billy Joel channel on Pandora. God Bless Pandora's founder and team !!
Posted by: Randomotion at December 4, 2007 11:12 PM
This is indeed great news!
I enjoy a broad spectrum of music styles, and It was really a shame that Classical was left out in the cold. Now I can listen to Pandora even more!
The only thing that would make it better is the ability to pay for "Premium" high quality audio streams.
Then I could enjoy the classical music in all its glory.
Keep up the great work!
Posted by: Jay Williams at December 5, 2007 02:55 PM
Yay! :-)
Posted by: edith at December 7, 2007 10:46 AM
Pandora classical music is the best thing to happen to late night studying (and cooking, cleaning, newspaper reading, etc.) since Minnesota Public Radio. Awesome! Thanks so much for adding classical music.
Posted by: Peter at December 14, 2007 10:59 PM
What a pleasant surprise when I typed 'Beethoven' (not for the first time) and it worked! I agree with others that this would be much more compelling if it were possible to listen to a whole piece at once. Hearing a string of scattered middle movements makes me feel like I'm missing something. Thanks again for this music, and I look forward to seeing the service develop.
Posted by: Jason at December 26, 2007 10:37 AM
I can't add any pieces as "song" feeds, because I can't find anything in the database. Even stuff I *know* is in there. I've listened to movements of Tchaikovski's 4th and 5th symphonies, but I double-dare you to try to add Tchaikovski's Symphony No. 4 or Symphony No. 5 -- or any of the movements -- or the Meistersinger or Academic Festival Overture ...
Also, I have a station in which I've used Tchaikovski as the artist feed and thumb-uped five-eighths of the movements of Tchaikovski's 4th and 5th symphonies, only, but -- despite hours and hours of listening -- I can't get Pandora to play any of the other three movements, despite having thumbed-down several string quartets.
If I *can't* get Pandora to play the movements, and I *can't* add them directly, how am I ever going to get to the point where I have all of the movements of Tchaikovski's 4th and 5th symphonies thumb-uped, and I can move on to replacing Tchaikovski, in the artist feed, with Richard Wagner.
I'll try adding Lohengrin or Ride of the Walkieries -- (I'll Google for the correct spellings) -- but I expect I'll strike out again.
Not being able to add classical pieces as "song" feeds is frustrating.
Has anyone been able to find any classical pieces in the database to add them as "song" feeds?
--
"... did it have to be so hard?" -- Pink Floyd, The Wall
Posted by: Bob-Tuba at December 30, 2007 07:13 PM
Love Pandora. Thank you.
Any chance that you'll add Indian Bollywood music to the collection?
Posted by: Amit Singh at January 3, 2008 04:53 PM
Michael Arrington said it best in 2005: "It's like the Internet was invented so that Pandora could be".
Fantastic. I'm not sure how I missed the addition of classical music until now but I have to say, I was willing to pay a monthly fee before I knew about this and now my wallet is practically opening itself with desire to pay someone for this great service.
I understand the advertising model that funds Pandora, but I still ask how can it be that such an amazing, simple, life-changing service is available for Free?
Next question is how can I invest? Throw up the ability to search for songs, etc, and you have the Google of music. Again, how can I invest?
Posted by: Happy User at June 10, 2008 04:46 PM