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October 04, 2007
Latest on Pandora International....
Subject: Latest on International Pandora...
Dear Global Pandorans -
It's been a few (painful) months since we had to begin blocking listeners outside the US. Many of you have been writing in for updates, so we thought it would be useful to post the latest news. Sorry for not having done so sooner. Sadly, our posting that "we are working hard on international licensing" remains the same.

We have been working intensively on bringing Pandora to the UK first and we were hopeful of doing so. The situation with regards to licensing took a bad turn a couple months ago with the issuance of a publishing rate in the UK which leaves total sound recording royalties and publishing royalties substantially out of whack with the realities of ad-supported webcasting/internet radio economics. So we're back in the trenches trying to find an answer, working with the recording and publishing industries, that works for everyone. This has been an intense period of education and negotiation and it continues unabated.
As it stands now, there is still no affordable license for a webcaster to stream legally (ie. abiding by all standing copyright law and properly compensating performers and composers) anywhere outside the US, (actually, make that within the US too as we're trying to work through a whole other mess here as well!) Paul (our Managing Director of Pandora Int'l) is working full time on the international business out of London.
We continue to be cautiously optimistic that a reasonable answer will be reached - largely because it would be so counter-productive for everyone not to do so. But we remain unable to make any solid predictions about timing - history has taught us that's a fool's errand.
You can trust that this remains at least as frustrating for us as it is for you.
Keep the faith...
Tim (Founder)
Posted by Tim Westergren at October 4, 2007 09:14 AM
Comments
As I mentioned in an email shortly after Pandora was closed for non-US users, is there any hope of getting a text-only version? I think that most people use Pandora not to listen to music but rather to get a taste of things they might like. Receiving a textual version of the result would be a good compromise for the time being, in that we would still be able to get a list of artists and songs similar to what we like. We would have to look them up on our own, but most of us did so anyway because the results were so good that we ended up -- or at least, I did -- buying songs by the referred artists, either from online stores such as the iTunes store, or from the dear old music shops.
Posted by: Jollino at October 4, 2007 11:10 AM
Is there ever going to be a pandora that can be embedded 9nto blogger/myspace/shoutlife/xanga?
Posted by: Brian at October 4, 2007 06:36 PM
A textual version would definitely be fantastic, yes.
Posted by: Richaod at October 5, 2007 03:01 AM
RADIO WAVES ARE FREE!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: Jarred at October 5, 2007 10:05 PM
While I love the technology, my taste includes in a big way classical, particularly modern or contemporary classical composers. George Persona left radioio when they went to their now unusable format. Go snatch him up! He's awesome in the classical realm and knows contemporary classical better than anyone.
Posted by: HarryH at October 6, 2007 01:02 PM
Hang in there HarryH - Classical music is coming to Pandora very soon
Posted by: Etienne at October 6, 2007 09:10 PM
was on vacation and a music friend turned me on to the radio...being a album oriented dj in the 70's in a album rock station, i love the listening in quarter hours or half hours of a certain type of music ,then switching again as i like...will probably hook it up to my home system. you may tell from my logo that i am in my early 60s,,hope this continues to do well for everyone, the only thing i would like is a longer listening time to the radio i hook up too, such as a half hours of crosby stills nash young....thanks dwhitt in carolina
Posted by: dub whitt at October 7, 2007 08:34 AM
Guys! hope you can work these international licences very fast. We are going nuts in Australia without Pandora. Please bring back the colour to our lives! Fast, we're drowning in grey!
Posted by: Nucha at October 8, 2007 12:13 AM
what a good thing this pandora thing is. i can t wait to get my own gospel and jazz cds i have made. truely a good thing we got right here. jessie gonzalezz from milford mass.....
Posted by: jesus gonzalez at October 8, 2007 06:38 AM
As I'm reading through the lines an idea takes shape in me.
What about a "Pandora World Service"? I'm thinking of a single radio channel with a program structure that sticks to different music directons (e.g. an indie hour), also with newsbits from the blog and so on.
Posted by: Matthias at October 8, 2007 07:38 AM
I like the pandora alots and i want to have my cell turn on and take the pandora with me all the time but how come only spint cell can do,why don't you let att and all phone company can do too?( i mean how can i do if am not spint customer?)
Posted by: khantiyoo at October 8, 2007 08:47 AM
Thanks so much for what you do. I recognize the necessity of advocacy, please ask if any "domestic" advocacy would be helpful. Although I'm saddened that the rest of the world doesn't have access to your wonderful service, it's great to know that a few things can still be done here without the bullies shutting us down. C
Posted by: CB at October 8, 2007 09:33 AM
Read about Pandora in a very interesting article in a recent (Oct 2007) Inc magazine I finally had time to read - now I am loving trying out Pandora and passing it on to my colleagues and friends. Definitely we'll be clicking on your advertisers Tim and good luck keeping things moving forward - great article in Inc magazine!
For the rest, the Inc article outlines a great story of Pandora as a business and the town hall meetings going on. The music genome concept is discussed in a fair bit of detail also.
Posted by: Dave in PA at October 8, 2007 11:16 AM
I would like Pandora removed from your address list--I am not interested in receiving all the pictures constantly----REMOVE me please---
Posted by: LESLIE at October 8, 2007 12:49 PM
I really really want it back in the Netherlands! I love the concept and am still waiting for you to make it right!
Posted by: Veronique at October 9, 2007 05:15 AM
The big idea, would be, of course, that eventually it would be up to the artists themselves to opt out of the "....publishing and recording industries...." system all together. Eventually they (the artists) will be comfortable knowing these industries are more than becoming irrelevent. It's just starting to happen, but it is happening. I know it's kind of an anarchist idea and will at some point regroup into a more stable system, but your very existence leads me to believe it could be true.
Posted by: dscherer at October 9, 2007 04:11 PM
I remember when I first heard about this site several months ago, tried it, and was greatly disappointed when I found out I couldn't use it because I wasn't in the US. Since then, I've checked this site on an almost daily basis to see if this service would become available to Canada. It's been driving me nuts that I haven't been able to take advantage of this site to discover the music I really want to discover, but I can feel better knowing that some progress is being made. =D
Posted by: JT at October 9, 2007 10:36 PM
Good luck to you in persevering to pry Pandora's "box" open again outside the US. I'm travelling a lot and I loved being able to listen to the stuff I like, be it in Europe, Asia or anywhere else in the world.
I wish the music industry and artist would see that a service like yours actually helps to generate additional song and album sales by exposing me to a lot more artists that suit my tastes than a classical radio station could ever offer.
Posted by: Guy at October 9, 2007 11:58 PM
Is this licensing problem also behind the low amount of international music on Pandora? I love the way it handles american music, but I can't seem to find any foreign artists.
Posted by: Edward at October 10, 2007 12:20 PM
Pandora is a wonderful resource tool for anyone seriously interested in music. I have found so much music through them it is not even funny. Every country should bring them on board.
Posted by: Daniel Straine at October 10, 2007 03:15 PM
I am blissfully listening to melodies that were lost ih some derilect corner of Detroit/Chicago.and a tear of joy runs down my wizzened cheek.Me,Hard Bastard ex Para.my ass.You are reaching me loud and clear in Dorset England,and I thank you wholeheartedly.....BIG.
Posted by: BIG. at October 10, 2007 04:05 PM
Dear music lovers everywhere,
please check this artist as we need your opinion about the music bad,
www.myspace.com/sunsunsunmusic
thank you thank you thank you music people
love peace and understanding
shai
Posted by: shai levy at October 10, 2007 10:35 PM
Tim
You have one of the best products I have ever seen! I want people to be able to listen to my musical tastes on my blog (my url above). Have you guys ever thought of having a software tuner... of our (your clients) music stations w/out ever leaving our page?
It would be free advertising for you and yet also a bridge builder for musically interested bloggers.
Also what can we do for you, I like Pandora so much that I would like to advertise for free, do you guys have buttons, badge, etc. for linking purposes?
What are your thoughts?
Oh good luck against the corporate machine... I hope everything works out for the rest of the world to experience the service that rocks.
Keep up the excellent work!
Posted by: Demon at October 11, 2007 07:45 AM
I love the options available. There is however, a need for some kind of an equalizer in order to modulate the sounds. Is there any way to do this?
This is, in my opinion, the only setback to Pandora.
Thanks for listening...
Posted by: Giovanni Gutierrez at October 11, 2007 08:35 AM
Tim,
This is just another hurdle to jump over in your long history of successes. I'm sure you are doing everything it takes to bring this amazing project to global heights. Thanks for the communication and your continued efforts to help music lovers everywhere get exactly what they want to hear when they want to hear it.
Btw, wonderful article in Inc. this month!
Posted by: Sariah at October 11, 2007 03:32 PM
I agree with a text-only version... would be great!
Posted by: Oksana at October 11, 2007 03:58 PM
I love Pandora radio and have been listening for about 2 months at work everyday. For the past 3 weeks or so Pandora plays just a few songs and then freezes on some established stations It will state it is searching for another song but then never play.I have to log back in for the station to play again but it will do the same after a few played songs.I used to be able to listen and mark all the songs all day long but now this is not happening. I was curious if somthing is going on with Pandora that is effecting all my stations
Posted by: mjones at October 12, 2007 08:23 AM
Hi from Canada.
I miss my Pandora. I listened to it religiously and relied on it to help me decide what CD’s I would buy…
I really hope these international differences can be resolved… please work on brining it back to Canada!
ASAP!!!
Posted by: Zoë at October 12, 2007 12:17 PM
Pandora is a great tool!
Frank
Posted by: Geschenkidee at October 12, 2007 02:15 PM
I find it strange that only Pandora has a problem with this. The most immediate example I can think of is last.fm which thrived doing exactly what it does now for many years as an independant company, long before it was bought out by CBS. Indeed CBS bought them out (without applying some CBS Mandate with regards to branding, unlike the weird experience I get of seeing the CBS eye watch me from billboards in Newcastle-upon-Tyne's Metro stations) *because* they were successful, innovative and truly international.
Also there are several thousand conventional internet radio stations that don't feel the need to block listeners from outside their own country, how many American listeners are blocked from listening to XFM, BBC Radio, Virgin Radio or even smaller internet-only stations such as 2XS or NE1FM?
In short, I don't understand how this problem that Pandora has can be exclusive to them.
Posted by: geoneil at October 14, 2007 03:39 AM
I hope it gets sorted soon. If the licensing authorities don't act in your favor, they will be actively encouraging illegal streaming and downloads.
Posted by: Nick J at October 15, 2007 04:34 AM
could you somehow provide some means of emailing us patiently waiting international pandorians as and when your box will be open or will we know anyway?????spooky!
Posted by: mrgecco at October 15, 2007 12:04 PM
my fingers are crossed, i sure miss you dearly here in canada, you helped me through my work days, my housework, my workouts, you even helped me to seranade a few ;) AND also get some good parties started... the world needs Pandora, best of luck, ive got your back, and am eagerly awaiting your return as are so many other people i am certain. fight the man!
Posted by: Christopher Johnson at October 16, 2007 04:34 PM
Checking in from Canada. Aw, still no music.
I like the notion of either a textual pandora, or if we can just *see* our old playlists. I can't remember all the songs I marked thumbs-up, and I'd like to track them down and listen to them again.
Posted by: andrea at October 16, 2007 06:26 PM
Another Australian Pandora orphan here. What a shame! I'll be back on in a flash if you can find some way of getting it up again. I'll even pay for the privilege if that helps - doesn't Australia have a free trade agreement with the US?
Posted by: Larry at October 17, 2007 12:13 AM
Yeah, that FTA sure isn't helping us.. but we didn't get all the ridiculous copyright laws either so I'm thankful for that.
Pandora - Please release an ad supported, text only, version. Don't horde all that good data! I know it's not the kind of site you wanted to run.. but please consider it!
Posted by: Iceman at October 18, 2007 12:01 AM
I'd just like to second HarryH's remark about George Persona formerly of radioio -- that man is a master of the mix. Opened my ears to so many wonderful recordings (not to mention works I never would have heard otherwise).
Posted by: Mike H at October 18, 2007 09:25 PM
Try it at the European Union; the laws about copyright are regulated on europe-scale. if you manage Pandora at the EU, many countries will provite.
Good luck with the juridical mess. I hope you guys will suceed.
Posted by: TT Dekker at October 24, 2007 10:05 AM
where can I register for padora radio on line I am not getting anything saying where to register because the screen that comes up is always blank?
Thanks
Posted by: Sharon Roberts at October 24, 2007 01:30 PM
Hi there,
another aussie here who's heard about your service and, unfortunately, been unable to sample. Also curious about the international barriers your experiencing.
Is a possible interim solution to franchise your set up and find people to get it started in each individual country for their local markets to begin with? You could have links between the countries' sites and regular link ups between the pandora franchisees.
Sounds to me like you've got many passionate folk around the world and I'd bet many of them would be more than capable and willing to join in the fight to make Pandora global by becoming involved in running it locally.
Having people on the ground so to speak would grow demand and awareness in each country and could only help the overall global case I'm sure.
This is probably a whole different set of legal issues that would detract from your original battle, but maybe this set is faster to process. don't really know, not a business or legal mind, just a thought.
I saw you mentioned in WIRED this month in an article about lala.com
Posted by: nicola at October 26, 2007 09:23 PM
How about an update on the domestic political front ?
SaveNet Radio doesn't seem to have anything much posted since August.
Is IREA dead? Are royalty negotiations still in progress? Is it time to recontact representatives? How do the Presidential candidates stand on this? Is there a list of foes and supporters in Congress posted somewhere?
Can we help? It is sad to see what has happened internationally. I would hate to lose Pandora in the US.
Posted by: Tom Nield at October 31, 2007 01:32 PM
Surely if you can do it in the States you can get the rights for Canada. I miss my personal setup with all likes and dislikes! Forget the UK - Go Canada!
Posted by: Chris at October 31, 2007 06:49 PM
Thanks for your post about the Internet Radio Equality Act (IREA), Tom. In short, we're in a negotiation phase right now.
The Washington Post had an article last week that pretty much summarizes where things stand:
Jon Potter, head of the Digital Media Association: We made a royalty rate proposal on Aug. 23, and we have not heard a reply back. Richard Ades, SoundExchange spokesman: Discussions are continuing and the organization has been meeting with individual webcasters to better understand their finances. We're moving as fast as we can considering there are so many parties involved.
So there you have it. The public support led Congress to intervene and force a negotiated settlement. We are growing more and more frustrated but will give the process a bit more time to see if it can yield a resolution.
Here's a link to the full article:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/10/23/AR2007102302123.html
We're extremely grateful for all the help we've gotten from our listeners thus far and we will be sure to let you know if there's something you can do that will advance the cause further.
Thanks again for the concern. Tim (Founder)
Posted by: Tim Westergren at November 1, 2007 11:49 AM
Hi !
I was really frustrated when Pandora's access was forbidden for non-us users.
I have never seen anything better. During the few months I have used the "radio",my music collection grew twice its size.
Thank you for such a brilliant product, and we hope to hear from you in France.
Posted by: WhoAmI at November 1, 2007 01:22 PM