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May 03, 2007

Breaking Pandora's Heart...

Dear Listeners -

Tonight we began the heartbreaking process of blocking access to Pandora for listeners outside the U.S.

It's hard to think of anything more anathema to who we are than turning off someone's radio, but the current legal realities leave us no choice. While the DMCA provides us a blanket license in the U.S., there is no equivalent in other countries. After a year of work, only the UK and Canada have shown enough progress for us to feel comfortable allowing continued access.

For those of you around the world who received our early warning emails, thanks so much for your kind and understanding replies... humbling. It really means a lot to us (even though it makes it doubly hard to do...)

Trust that we will continue working as hard as we can to obtain the licenses we need, and to push for the establishment of effective, centralized licensing bodies around the world. Hopefully this kind of development will add some urgency to the need for reform in the administration of worldwide copyrights.

We will all eagerly await the day when we can turn this back on, so please stay close. To quote our CTO, Tom Conrad: "we'll take good care of your stations in the meantime."

Keep the faith...

Tim (Founder)

Update: For those of you that were impacted by the IP blocking change, we've restored your access to the Pandora Backstage universe. Once again you'll be able to access your profile and search for artist, album, and song recommendations. We know it's not a substitute for the full version Pandora, but it's a small token that many of you told us you wanted. We're very happy to be able to give it back.

Posted by Tim Westergren at May 3, 2007 09:16 PM

Comments

This is a sad day.. for Pandora.. for me.. for music. Pandora gave me freedom.. it gave me culture.. it gave me happiness. Pandora made me love music again, made me buy CD's again, made me discover.

Thank you for the great service and taking care of my channels until you're back. I truly hope you can overcome all the difficulties and open up for the world again. To give everyone back the freedom, culture and happiness you created..!

Posted by: Arnoud at May 3, 2007 10:11 PM

It's a shame. Internet, the ultimate open frontier where everyone's equal, is now getting rid of the US's next door neighbor: Mexico.
Sorry ,Tim, I don't get it and I can't buy your excuse for closing the door for us. I thought music was beyond all the discriminating crap. I'm in a wheelchair, and Pandora was a great help for my lonely moments of depression, so I'm angry now since I've been a loyal listener and promoter. I have discovered "new" music in Pandora and I've purchased CD's in the US (Amazon, CD Universe)because of such discoverings. So, as I told you in my e-mail, it's very dumb to get rid of us.

Posted by: Julian at May 3, 2007 10:36 PM

Noooooooo, today was my first day using Pandora and now you block me! How comes Yahoo's Launch allows playing music no matter the country?

Posted by: Marcelo at May 3, 2007 10:39 PM

Would I be too much of a nerd if I said "it's as if millions of voices suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced."?

I live in the US, so I'm not directly affected by this, but that so many people who share this pure love as I do are being denied music... I really don't want to sound like some kind of reactionary jackass or an internet tough guy, but as far as I'm concerned "they" have controlled things for far too long, and I'm never directly giving them my money again. I understand you folk at Pandora have to, and I'll give money to you when I can, but I'll do anything I can to give them a hard time.

I would say that I couldn't imagine a world with no access to good music, but I can. I was in it for a few years before I found websites like Pandora and others that give me this audial addiction that ranks up there with food and water.

Posted by: Jeffool at May 3, 2007 10:52 PM

It's sad to hear that kind of news, trough Pandora I've discovered tons of new bands I had no idea they existed, and bought a lot of CD's from Amazon from those bands (the CD does not exist in Mexico).

Again, thanks to Pandora for the big effort, hope you can survive for a while.

Thanks also to all the wonderful bands I've discovered trough Pandora, it's sad news you've lost a big market here in Latin America, the only way to know you was through Pandora (if your sales go down, blame the new law, which is killing freedom of speech, freedom of choice and all forms of freedom!, ironic isn't it?)

Posted by: Jordi at May 3, 2007 10:53 PM

Tim and the gang, thank you for a wonderful time. It's been great listening to Pandora, I've discovered (and bought!) a lot of new music because of Pandora. I hope to see Pandora back in my country some day.

Keep up the good work!

Posted by: Rik at May 3, 2007 11:09 PM

Hallo Pandora people

Yes - It does break my heart that your out of my life! But i want to thank you for all the great hours you gave me till now. I learned so much new music and artist. For a long time you have been my absolutely number one webpage. What a fantastic project. Fascinating with the genome- thing for people with an interest in music. Thanks!

Hope to meet you again on day.

yours
Finn - Denmark

Posted by: Finn Nohr at May 3, 2007 11:15 PM

I know that technically I shouldn't have been listening to Pandora, but when a friend introduced me I just couldn't resist. I've tried other on-line music stations but Pandora is simply the best for so many reasons. I love what you guys are doing, I respect your move to block IP addresses outside the US, but I feel like I've lost a friend.

Posted by: Ronet at May 3, 2007 11:22 PM

Didn't they just give you a 2 month reprieve?

Yehuda

Posted by: Yehuda Berlinger at May 3, 2007 11:26 PM

So sad :(

Posted by: Fred at May 3, 2007 11:31 PM

I have to add my thanks for the really nice email. Of course, I'm really disappointed that I can't use Pandora anymore (especially after telling all my friends about it); but since I was technically breaking the law to sign up, it was incredibly sweet of you to send such a nice and friendly email. Way beyond normal expected courtesy, and I appreciate it.

And it's nice of you to say that you are trying to get it legal in other countries too. Unfortunately, I live in New Zealand, a country that only just got iTunes. It might be a while before Pandora can get over here.

But, you know. I will wait patiently for my radio stations to come back to me. Good luck with the Internet Radio Equality Act!

Posted by: Morne at May 3, 2007 11:39 PM

Now this IS disappointing having to close the box for us foreigners. Fact is that by listening to Pandora I have made acquaintance with artists that otherwise most probably would have stayed unknown to me, and I have BOUGHT several of their cd's.
Your formula is a grace to the music industry and listeners. So try make it a global phenomenon.
Vriendelijke groet,
Sebastiaan Poos

Posted by: Sebastiaan Poos at May 3, 2007 11:47 PM

A very sad day indeed but this is something that is totally out of your control. Being one of the unlucky ones (UK) it will be a sad sad day when I can't stream from Pandora.com on either my PC or my SlimP3 player.

It will also be interesting to see how the SlimP3 player is sold now in the UK. Will they have to remove all details of streaming from the Pandora service ?

I hope at some point common sense prevails and pandora is back amongst us before long.

/Nigel

Posted by: monkeyleader at May 3, 2007 11:54 PM

I'll be awaiting your e-mail guys! I haven't lost hope that one day I may listen to Pandora yet again! You guys rock regardless of this setback!

Posted by: Kim Visnes at May 4, 2007 12:23 AM

it is hard to visit pandora and find http://www.pandora.com/restricted
hope to hear pandora again soon...
good luck!

Posted by: Raul at May 4, 2007 01:05 AM

Another victory of mediocrity... Now we'll have to listen to some music that nobody cares if we like.
Those pesky FM stations.
I can't wait to see you back, guys.

Posted by: Bartek at May 4, 2007 01:06 AM

Hi Tim,

I just realized that the warnings became truth when I wanted to restart my daily pandora session. Up to now its been the best music player I've ever had. Your system that generates similar music of different artists is unique what makes it even harder without that great station! It has been great that you achieved to be online all over the globe yet and perhaps we'll come into that kind of pleasure in the future. First of all I wish you the best and a good further on development of your site and system! All that licensing things concerning music is quite hard stuff. Seen from the point of view of making money I'm sure its a thorn in their flesh to miss all the good paying listeners who could also directly access a network like yours to listen to the music they usually would by in a music store. Anyway, I hope we'll hear from you again!

Best wishes,

Till / Tuebingen (Germany)

Posted by: Till Albrecht at May 4, 2007 01:10 AM

I want to express all my gratitude to Tim and the Pandora staff for all their work. You created something great, that helped me and many other users to learn more about music.

My best wishes to Pandora, I will be waiting for the day I can listen to my stations again.

Posted by: Francesco at May 4, 2007 01:12 AM

It's definitely a heartbreaking news for me. I listen to Pandora no matter where I travel to. Any chance for a minimal charge to let people like me travel around the world can still enjoy the wonderful Pandora?

Posted by: Irene at May 4, 2007 01:15 AM

Incredible that the industry doesn't understand the value of such a station.
Probably the only people who can really act are the artists who should fu... the big labels and go independent..

Posted by: Kleis Leven at May 4, 2007 01:22 AM

Thanks for letting me be a member for 3 years plus. I always used to go on pandora.com everyday. It was the source for the music I would never of heard of.

Ill keep checking back and having my heartbroken as I see the gruesome front page thing saying its unavailable.

Keep up the great work and I'm sure the US listeners are happy!

Posted by: Douglas John Menzies at May 4, 2007 01:31 AM

Hey, thanks for pissing all the expats off. Your fault or not, I am still deeply disappointed. Moving on to last.fm as we speak.

Posted by: Ingmar at May 4, 2007 01:36 AM

I'm a musician. I've work everyday, I'm 52.
I think music it IS, and economy IS nothing.
We must to brake heads of the "sistema", and "...just only love can breake youre heart..." , now, it's some of incomplete.
Reality make us understand that we must get just expansive - over minds (humans),
yes, we work, in fact, also for who it works in order to hinder to us.

Posted by: Paolo at May 4, 2007 02:14 AM

have you though about including paid accounts? for example introducing an option of paying some symbolic price to turn off that "blocker" which controls how many songs users can skip, or just increasing the number of songs that can be skipped?

just an idea. if you don't like, i never said it :)

Posted by: Hairgel_Addict at May 4, 2007 02:15 AM

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!

Australia needs you!!

But you need more Aussie music! :D

Posted by: Andrew Battye at May 4, 2007 02:29 AM

Oh no! I love Pandora and im in the UK. Please tell me you will be back soon. This is sad.

Posted by: Brendan Clarke at May 4, 2007 02:30 AM

Thankyou for giving me the opportunity to listen to your station,looking forward to being able to listen once again when you are able to broadcast outside the USA.It is a wonderfull station and good luck for the future,Pauline, New Zealand

Posted by: Pauline Boyle at May 4, 2007 03:16 AM

Hey, I don't do any harm listening, every once in a while, to your music! So what if now I'm in Italy, I've lived in Cleveland Ohio, 44118, and I felt entitled to listen to your music...I don't feel I rob anyone of anything, so...Keep on the good work and disregard of these awful laws...
Cinzia Magni, Genova, Italy

Posted by: Cinzia at May 4, 2007 03:25 AM

I found this and I thought of pandora...
What is music to you?


Music is freedom that relentlessly exists
Freedom of speech
Freedom of thought
Freedom of creativity
Freedom of imagination

Music is ever soothingly healing
A bombardment of on-going expression of feelings
Music is a tool of unity
Always bringing people together as family
Hence be described as a mentor of spirituality

Music is magic
Performing its tricks
With sweet instrumental tones and lyrics

Music is emotionally captivating
Music is positively distracting
Music is a form of beautiful art
Passed on as a message on a public stage

Music is as powerful as water
Flowing in and out of generations
Trapped ever so often only by its own enormous power

Music is an angel
Singing out from the skies as she flies
Music is love
Music is the food of all moods
Music is perfect and it is good for you

Copyright 2006 - Sylvia Chidi

Sylvia Chidi


I have no more music since I moved to Italy and access to pandora is restricted. I'm gonna need you guys to stay on that.

Posted by: Tiffany at May 4, 2007 03:28 AM

I hope Pandora comes to New Zealand soon! :)

Posted by: Peppery at May 4, 2007 03:49 AM

Why can sites like www.live365.com and www.loudcity.com work Worldwide and have no problems with rights ?
Not to mention all those hundreds of other sites with internet radio stations that work worldwide ?
To my opinion it is just another US protectionist mechanism. But hey - if you like to cut your own fingers off , just do so. There really are so many alternatives.

Posted by: Jack Voogt at May 4, 2007 03:55 AM

Greetings, Tim. I'll keep the faith and keep visiting the Backstage and Podcast areas of Pandora's site, which are as interesting as the radio itself. Besides, I'm gasping for you to obtain the licenses you need and I'm thankful to know that you'll keep a record of my existing stations. Best wishes!

Posted by: Felipe Azevedo at May 4, 2007 04:02 AM

To bad, Im from Sweden and have used your service for a long time now. :'-(

Posted by: Peter at May 4, 2007 04:05 AM

Pandora... I miss you already... :-( Hope you`ll come back to me soooooon....!!

Posted by: Jesper at May 4, 2007 04:05 AM

Today is a bad day...

Thanks for your job anyway guys.

Courage!

Posted by: Nelfox5 at May 4, 2007 04:13 AM

Is there anything former listeners can do to help out? Contacting somebody? I admit I'm angry that I can't listen to your radio anymore, but I'm not angry with you. I'll be waiting for your return. :)

Posted by: Johanna at May 4, 2007 04:27 AM

Damn shame. I'll miss it.

Posted by: geoff pedder at May 4, 2007 04:42 AM

Well, I hope I'll find a way to violate the DMCA

Posted by: chiller at May 4, 2007 04:42 AM

just one comment, people from outside the US only see the msg about the blocking, but there is no other links in that page to the blog, FAQ etc. which i think many ppl, including me, would still like to read, even though we can not listen.
hope your efforts will be successful, but as for israel, i do not see anything changing in the next few years. and that is sad.
Jack.

Posted by: Jack of al Trades at May 4, 2007 05:15 AM

Such a sad day for us European music exploring radiolisteners. Perhaps the collective of each country's listeners can help in some way, urging their governments to provide you with the licenses needed?

Let's hope for a better world soon.

Posted by: Mark IV at May 4, 2007 05:49 AM

I am sorry to say good bye, you have got a beautiful idea for who loves music.
I hope to have good news from you as soon as possible.

Posted by: Barbara at May 4, 2007 05:56 AM

Hi Tim,

I would like to thanks this great idea that is Pandora.
Music is a cheap and beautiful way of knowledge.
But unfortunately this is a world of "all about money".
I hope that someday your(our) dream became true.

Regards,

Massashi Lima Hosono

Posted by: Massashi Hosono at May 4, 2007 06:00 AM

very disappointed. chile.

Posted by: andrew cooke at May 4, 2007 06:19 AM

I guess this is the only place I can leave a comment. I think your service has absolutely ruined MSN radio. I was forced to find another source of online music when you took over. It doesn't work very well logging me in. I don't like your intrusion into my peaceful life. I tried your service again this morning after my current source experienced problems. You are a hassle. I hope you go away!!!

Posted by: liz at May 4, 2007 06:36 AM

I received recently your letter stating that you will block my access to Pandora. "We show your IP address is '85.178.78.25', which indicates you are listening from Germany. "

Indeed, I'm in Berlin and I've organized many parties at home using Pandora. These are very bad news for me!!!, cause tomorrow is my girlfriend'S birthday and we were planning to have another pandora party at home! (that is how we call them), my friends love it.

Anyway, I enjoyed pandora while I could and I appreciate that you made your service available outside the US during this time.

I was one of your fans.

Posted by: eldani at May 4, 2007 07:01 AM

That sucks. A lot. I don't see the big deal, Pandora is a radio station, not a distributer of free music. If anything, people have bought more music because of what they have found through Pandora.

Posted by: Jen at May 4, 2007 07:52 AM

Tim,

Everyone at Webcasters United and SaveNetRadio is with you. Screw the RIAA, you keep fighting. For everyone reading this, more now than ever is the time to "FIGHT THE POWER" (Public Enemy) Call your representative today, tell them to co-sponsor HR 2060!!

Posted by: FairBol at May 4, 2007 07:53 AM

Hi Tim & Pandora team,

Truly a sad day...

Posted by: Thomas Han at May 4, 2007 08:00 AM

Well, What you have to do, you have to do.
Thanks for everything you've done up until now and for your future efforts. Keep up the excellent work.
Jacopo, probably Italy's first Pandora Listener.

Posted by: Jacopo at May 4, 2007 08:11 AM

I'm very sad about this, but... one day everthing is gonna be diferent.

I live in Brasil and here pandora was the best way to listening and discover good music and good bands

Hugs
tatu.

Posted by: tatu at May 4, 2007 08:17 AM

POR ESO NO LOS QUIEREN A USTEDES LOS NORTEAMERICANOS!!

Posted by: Pili at May 4, 2007 08:28 AM

It's very pity. PANDORA is a right way to keep closer to american style. Please, solve the problem as sooner as possible.
Thanks for the good music already been heard .

Sandy

Posted by: Sandy Venred at May 4, 2007 09:07 AM

This is a sad story. where shall i now go and listen to all this brilliant music. i really loved pandora and how it opened up my eyes to all kind of bands and artists i dident know before. I really wish you the best of luck when trying to get back out to the world again.

in hope of seing you again, Soren - from Denmark.

Posted by: Soren at May 4, 2007 09:14 AM

It's difficult to express what losing Pandora means to me. I cling to the hope that eventually the vision of the Music Genome Project will prevail over greed and misguided legislation. Until then, get busy piping Pandora to Ireland! GL

Posted by: Lyons at May 4, 2007 09:23 AM

Oh Tim! What a sad morning! During these last days I tried to complete all the mails you've sent but as I don't have a zip code, since I live in Buenos Aires, Argentina, it was impossible...
Laws, linceses... here in Argentina the radio law was established during the dictatorship (military goverment) 30 years ago and never changed. It only allows corp media to have legal radios because you have to pay incredible amounts of money. Lot of people is trying to change this but imagine all the interests that are behind... it's hard but not impossible.
With all this, I'm trying to say that i really appreciate you efforts, and most of all the creation of Pandora. Since I've found it I never listen to almost anything else, at least not everyday, all day long. Till today, every morning, after my coffee I turned on my computer and open Pandora (i'm a free lance designer working at home).
This seems like a goodbye-love letter or something like that, i know. But Pandora is the proove that something apparently small can change your everyday life a lot. Thank you very much for all this time and I really, really hope to listen to Pandora someday again ;)
love & thanks for all Pandora Team.

Posted by: Veronica at May 4, 2007 09:37 AM

Pandora, you were a pure love..you were..

Posted by: Said at May 4, 2007 10:02 AM

:(
i'm probably brazilian first Pandora Listener
i love pandora...

Posted by: Pedro at May 4, 2007 10:06 AM

It's a pity :(

The best radio station in Internet now just for EEUU :(

Posted by: Alberto García at May 4, 2007 10:15 AM

I'm so so utterly sad... I just can't describe it... Pandora was my personal oasis... I'll be waiting for you guys... please, don't take too long... :'(

Posted by: Faerie at May 4, 2007 10:33 AM

This is sad news indeed because Pandora was the only way to find more great artists...I live in Lithuania so I think its going to take long time till its going to be availabe here but I keep on hoping...

Posted by: Digital at May 4, 2007 10:49 AM

Voy a escribirlo en castellano porque lo vale...
NOSOTROS NO ROBAMOS NI PIRATEAMOS MUSICA EN INTERNET : nos conformamos con escuchar, aprender mas sobre cada estilo de grupo y si lo queremos PAGAMOS a ITunes o Amazon los derechos de autor ...
Entonces, por Dios, dejennos ser sus seguidores ...Yo los he recomendado porque me parecen la radio MAS profesional que he visto en Internet. PANDORA... LEVANTATE Y ANDA

Posted by: Laura at May 4, 2007 11:00 AM

NOSOTROS NO ROBAMOS NI PIRATEAMOS MUSICA EN INTERNET

desde este momento, yo, si... he gastado miles de dolares en mi coleccion de musica. y ahora me tratan asi. basta.

(ingles, vivo en chile).

Posted by: andrew cooke at May 4, 2007 11:22 AM

DMCA
RIAA
Those are the ultimate four-letter-words in any language.

I purchased approx. 10 CDs of music, which I was introduced to by Pandora last year.
I won't be introduced to more music the following year.

I guess those RIAA-DMCA-morons are satisfied now.

Albert Einstein once said "Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe"

Posted by: Rolf at May 4, 2007 11:29 AM

I've been listening Pandora Radio from Germany. Pandara is a great help to detect new music. I bought a lot of CDs after hearing the songs first time on Pandora. It's really disappointing that Pandora cannot longer promote music in Germany.

Saying a very, very sad Good-bye Pandora

Michael

Posted by: Michael at May 4, 2007 11:58 AM

I am deeply saddened by the news that I cant listen to pandora anymore. It helped me rediscover my music taste and find so many amazinly talented artists that I will keep with me for the rest of my life. I will await the day that I can listen to pandora again and thank the creators of pandora for the time I got. my best wishes to you and I hope to hear pandora through my internett again.
Love, L.

Posted by: Liv at May 4, 2007 12:16 PM

Could you at least leave the search pages open? Even if I can't use the radio, I'd enjoy navigating through them, looking for similar artists and songs, hearing samples, etc...

Posted by: fco. at May 4, 2007 12:18 PM

Well,
I got an email today, and sure thing, trying to get to the station I got the restricted page.

What can I say ? I think that the problem is deeply disturbing. To make my point clear, yes, I am listening from Romania right now, BUT I AM A US CITIZEN !!!!!!( and damn sure I wrote to my reps regarding the last Save Internet Radio Campaign)
So technically speaking I am subject of the DCMA law, but under the same law I am placed outside a stupid fence DCMA dares to erect between US citizens home and abroad.
Do this guys understand that doing this IP filtering they will cancel part of the privileges of US citizenship to tens of thousands of US citizens being abroad ( not mentioning US embassies and serviceman around the world)?
I have all the gratitude towards the real heroes at Pandora, and all contempt for those responsable in the Congress for ending up with such situation.
Maybe some good lawyers can use this real situation for bringing up the issues to the congress, and expose the full scale of the monstrosity that DCMA is.

Posted by: Vladimir at May 4, 2007 12:54 PM

I hope you'll be "on air" again outside USA. I'm from Italy and this morning I felt so sad :-(

Daniele from Italy

Posted by: Daniele at May 4, 2007 01:15 PM

Hi all, I'm from France, and I just wanted to share my sadness with everybody up there. Really, I think that Pandora was really a good project, with many advantages, and a lot of respect for musical work. So why bothering people with musical rights ? As far as I know, there is no piracy when listening to the radio. I don't think people who listen to the radio everyday are pirates, nor are Pandora listeners.
Save Pandora, save free music, don't kill great projects with petty considerations. I mean, those considerations, concerning Pandora, are all driven by money, this is not about "the artists are not getting paid when broadcasting in Europe" but more "majors are loosing money with this kind of project".
I hope sincerely that you'll be able to come back soon, truly missing you !!

Posted by: Manu at May 4, 2007 01:49 PM

Boy, these guys that made you do that are so incredibly stupid. Since I was listening to Pandora.com (for nearly two years) I was buying much more music than I was before. Why? Because I detected musicians that made music I just HAD to have. The only thing I'm detecting now, is that there's no alternative to Pandora. (And that some people are really stupid, pardon me for saying that again.)

Please look after my stations - don't want to miss them...

Hope to hear you soon!

Chris from Germany

Posted by: Chris at May 4, 2007 02:03 PM

I'm sorry to say to all those artists that don't
have a multi million dolar music company behind them.
I have bought a lot of cd's after hearing a artist
fot the first time,well thats gone now. Special thanks to those assholes of the RIAA-DMCA thanks a lot.
I hope to hear you again soon in the netherlands
Pandora i'll be waiting.

Mario

Posted by: Mario at May 4, 2007 02:19 PM

-also sent by e-mail as well..-
Noooooo! :(

I won't lie: it's true.. I'm listening from the Netherlands.
Pandora is such a great invention and should not be kept only for USAers in my opinion.
Hopefully you can arrange something to let us outsiders enjoy Pandora again in the future.

Thank you for the time we got to enjoy it..
regards from the Netherlands, AT

PS my whole CD collection is based on the music I listened on Pandora.. like someone else already said: it made me buy (more) cds!

Posted by: air thana at May 4, 2007 02:29 PM

one more comment..

Is it possible to keep our account working for a while (although not really active, not with playing music etc..) so I can write down the names of the 'thumbs up' artists.. it such a shame if al that 'work' of selecting is gone.. there were a lot of great songs I marked.
please?

(maybe this is also what fco. meant at March 4th 12:18pm)

Posted by: air thana at May 4, 2007 02:36 PM

I can't believe it. Would you guys in the USA allow this???. What can we do in our own countries???. Pandora rules!!!!

Posted by: Andrés at May 4, 2007 03:42 PM

I think the people in these comments who are calling BS on Pandora have a limited understanding of the law, and maybe much more. If they are so pissed why don't they go and lobby their representatives to create a digital agreement among European labels, maybe through the EU.

After all last time I checked Europe was a Democracy as well.

Posted by: moar at May 4, 2007 03:54 PM

This is cruel... I've been listening to Pandora from Singapore for over a year now. My love for Independent music has grown so much. I love the way Pandora organizes my playlist. And how the people at Pandora makes the effort to educate the global community about pure music making.

Right now, I just feel like I've lost a great deal of freedom.

I'm an advocate of Web 2.0, and I wish you all the best in your future developments of Pandora.

Posted by: elishmaui at May 4, 2007 04:13 PM

Hi Tim,

Thanks for taking the time to explain the situation. I appreciate your message. I am currently living in Japan, and have loved listening to Pandora. Several of my friends here have also enjoyed listening. Are there any plans to license Pandora for use in Japan? You could even make a Japanese-language site that would run parallel to an English-language site, and perhaps feature Japanese-language music as well as your other offerings.

Thanks again for you message. I enjoyed it while it lasted, and hope I will again soon. It was one of the best things on the 'Net for me.

Best,
Steve

Posted by: Steve at May 4, 2007 05:24 PM

Keep this amazing work, even with this sad news. Here in Brazil we'll wait paciently the time we can open this box again.

Posted by: Chris at May 4, 2007 06:13 PM

You can't imagine what I felt today when I visited Pandora and it was closed to me... so sad... I can't understand why something so beautiful and free like music can be at everybody's access...

Pandora, we are missing you already in Colombia!!
Colombia needs Pandora. Please bring it back to us.

Juan

Posted by: Juan Mulford at May 4, 2007 06:37 PM

Has anyone pointed out that the US goverment is behaving like a totalitarian state which restricts access to culture and information based solely on your physical location? I'm sure George W. will be happy to tell the world he runs the country just like the Chinese and the old Soviet Union.

But on a more serious note, discovering I was no longer able to listen to Pandora was quite upsetting. It really is a sad day for the music lovers of the world when we can't find new music to listen to.

It is also a little bizarre that Congress has blocked my access to a U.S. company, especially when Australia (where I live) has a Free Trade Agreement with the U.S. Do they understand I shall be forced listen to music from other countries and will almost certainly buy less of my music from the U.S.

Finally, and most importantly, is it possible to get the names of the artists and songs I had added to to my stations?

Like many other people I had bought CDs of artists who I had discovered on Pandora, but there are many more artists whose music I was still undecided on, and I didn't write down or remember thier names because I was waiting to hear more of their songs. Retrieving that information would be really helpful.

Posted by: Woric at May 4, 2007 06:38 PM

OH NOES!! Wtf is dis shiat? :<

I is sad very sad... Pandora ruled the world. Stopped by capitalists on the way fto world domination.

Greetingz ~

Posted by: Tristan at May 4, 2007 07:09 PM

Guy's; i live in vietnam.
You can't even find a normal radio station here. You can't even find a place that sells original cd's.
Pandora was my way of keeping friends updated, keeping my self updated, and really enjoying selected,good music
The entire concept and setup of pandora should be understood by the music industry as the ultimate commercial tool! you discover, you learn , you buy! Pandora is the definition of going global with music. I am (was) a paying subscriber. You sell me a service, how do you explain that you cut out paying subscriber?
As a paying subscriber, is there any way in through other channels?
Any way its bad news for music lovers, and its bad news for the artist seeking a bit of international recognition.
I really hope to see you guy's on line soon, allthough i have my doubts.
Pandora rocks

take care

Posted by: jacques at May 4, 2007 08:26 PM

MUSIC IS BORDERLESS!!!

As an avid promoter of Pandora, daily listener, and truly fan and blog reader, I'm really dissapointed of this decision.

If you need any help to expand this further in other countries, let US know!

Sharing the pain,

Luis - from Mexico in Singapore

Posted by: Luis at May 4, 2007 08:34 PM

"In the U.S. there is a federal statute called the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA) that provides this license for all the music you hear on Pandora. Unfortunately, there is no equivalent license outside the U.S."

That's very fortunately, the fact that America is fucked up doesn't mean the rest of the world has to. Good luck Pandora, and good bye, luckily there are a lot of alternatives.

Posted by: John Smith at May 4, 2007 09:14 PM

Pandora was such an innovation and discovery for me! I never thought something as cool as this was possible. And I had no idea this could happen too!

I just came on Pandora because I desperately needed some background music to accompany writing boring notes for exams and this happened! Now I feel really sad. I'm sure the same goes for anybody else who came on looking for their favourite songs or to uncover more unheard of musicians...

I'm from Australia. Even though it's impossible, I'd be gleefully dancing the day Pandora is available for me again.

Posted by: Anita at May 4, 2007 09:45 PM

Mis estaciones estaban cada día mejor ... las canciones eran justo las que quería escuchar. Mis oídos están de luto.
(CHILE)

My ears are in time of sadness!

Posted by: Rodrigo Z at May 4, 2007 09:53 PM

Thanks, Tim. Good-by, Pandora.
Hope you to be back Japan as soon as possible.

Glad to know the great idea called 'the Music Genome Project' of Tim Westergren.

Posted by: ArtSalt at May 4, 2007 11:24 PM

it's a bad news.. so sorry.. anyway maybe we will meet in the future... at least you can provide low quality sound for now.. and so we can meet new songs and artists.. this is a radio isn't it, it's not an mp3 player ;)

Thanks from TURKEY

Posted by: Kaan at May 4, 2007 11:48 PM

"After a year of work, only the UK and Canada have shown enough progress for us to feel comfortable allowing continued access."

so will Pandora be continuing in the UK and Canada?

Posted by: Nick at May 5, 2007 12:32 AM

Hekko Tim!

Too bad youy have to fight with those A$$H0L3$ att the RIAA, etc and the stupidity of your politicians. Continue fighting for the survival of your station, showing that american people are just like the rest of us.

You have made me buy music from artists you presented to me. Now that's an old story, no more buying from my side and all of my friends. And you can tell those mo*fu*ers these exact words.

And to those bastards totally brainfarted idiot motherf*ing politicians, RIAA, etc:

Thank you for driving me towards the world of Bittorrent, DC++ and other file sharing services. And if you come near me I'll shove the DMCA together with my size 49' steel inforced military boot right into your f*ing A$$HOLE!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Daemonmonkey at May 5, 2007 01:29 AM

still,thanks for all=) ,im from chile,and i will be waiting to listen again =)


thanks for the great work =D!

Posted by: sota at May 5, 2007 01:33 AM

Thanks for you efforts thus far. I hope the music can be spread around the world once again.

Posted by: buzzer at May 5, 2007 01:45 AM

This is a sad day; Pandora has reacquainted me with old musical favourites and introduced me to many more new sounds and artists. This is what the net should be about, user choice, community, sharing and discovery. Keep up the good work and hopefully we will be able to listen in Australia soon.

Posted by: Mike at May 5, 2007 02:26 AM

Dear Tim, dear Pandora,

I'm from the Netherlands, one of the countries banned from Pandora. Even though I understand your motives, this hurts! I haven't been a member very long, but I'm already hooked. I've found a lot of new artists, artists I would have never discoverd if it wasn't for Pandora.

On sundays I was listening to Pandora all the time and on mondays I would go to the music store to buy some awsome records.

Therefore I hope Pandora will be available in the Netherlands again, on a short notice. (or a long notice for all that matters, just bring it back!)

I will never forget the day I actually stood next to an internet frontier and wasn't allowed in because I'm from the 'wrong country'. Weird. Understandable, but weird.

Keep up the good work, I'll be waiting!

Posted by: Judith at May 5, 2007 02:26 AM

It's too bad,
I hope you guys find something to make this undone.
Love,
Nelle

Posted by: Nelle at May 5, 2007 02:39 AM

i've been officially blocked from Pandora.. my life line for music since i've found it. and i'm from Singapore.

but i'll wait patiently, like all your other supporters, we'll be praying and waiting patiently till the day the doors reopen for us!

best wishes and good luck to those who are in the states and fighting for all our rights.. our right to music sharing and listening.

XOXO

Posted by: jayne at May 5, 2007 02:42 AM

Dear Tim, dear Pandora team,

Not being able to listen to Pandora anymore is almost like losing a friend; I have spent countless hours with Pandora and enjoyed great music - some of which I would have never come across without you!

Being a law-abiding citizen most of the time, I understand that all the regulations, legislations and policies around licensing and royalties must be obeyed (after all, artists need to make a living as well) and that this is no small issue by any means. Nevertheless, I am as utterly disappointed as you must be that there is currently no "easy" way to realise your vision of a truly global reach for Pandora.

Thank you for all your passion, hard work and your commitment to sharing great music with the world. Keep your truly loyal Pandora-community posted on any progress and reach out for support - we are many and we're here for you!

Posted by: Heidi - Switzerland at May 5, 2007 02:43 AM

What a nightmare. I truly loved Pandora and how it exposed me to new music. I do not fully understand why the rest of the world is beign blocked from such a gift, and only those in the States can enjoy, but if the powers that be realized that Pandora actually opens us up to new music, and in turn opens our wallets, perhaps they would think differently. I can't tell you how many artists, new to me, I have spend money on as a direct result of Pandora. Damn radio internet natzis. What a ridiculous thing to pull the plug. Wish someone would explain this rationale to me......
Ahhhh, but hopefully Pandora will not be stuffed in the US box for long - it is something that really should be open to the entire planet. Thanks for working on it Pandora, but I fear it will be a long while until I see you again (unless I am in the US of coarse).

Disgruntled American Citizen living Overseas.

Posted by: Keely at May 5, 2007 03:01 AM

It came like shock. After more than a year oft using Pandora do have the best music selection on my stereo; after refining the filter of the various stations to almost perfection: out of reach!!! I can't believe that there is nor possibility to stream to Germany. I doubt that all the public and commercial German radio-stations are broadcasting illegally over the web. And since I was not able to chose a specific title on Pandor, it was like listening to a radio station. So please, dig into it. I am sure that streaming to Germany is not illegal. Oliver

Posted by: Oliver at May 5, 2007 03:55 AM

This is just sad.

Posted by: cyberbaguioboy at May 5, 2007 04:16 AM

I did cry when I got your letter, though I'm not a child long ago... I'll be missing your service, and I can't really believe that I'll ever hear my channels again in the future... It would be nice, but reality is usually not nice at all.
Keep up the good work, I will remember you, and follow your blog and podcasts. It'd be nice if you could put some links to these on the restricted pandora.com site, so that I won't feel completely abandoned when I arrive to you.
Greetings, dinka

Posted by: dinkabeni at May 5, 2007 04:19 AM

How could this happen? Am I a worse person just because I'm not from the USA? This is big BS.

Posted by: Indrius at May 5, 2007 04:42 AM

Well, what to say ? Like many people here, thanks to your service, i've discovered many great bands (like Oxes or Don Caballero to only name a few) and bought their albums immediately... I must have bought something like 12 or 15 CDs in the past few months ! The irony is that most of them were direct import from the US cause they weren't available here, in France.

Really, this feels like shooting a bullet in the foot for the Music Industry. I guess it means going back to the old ways of discovering bands before buying their CDs, that is illegal downloads... this sucks :(

Anyways, thank you for all you did, keep the faith and i hope to hear from you soon, literally. In the mean time, i'll be waiting and hoping for the email telling that you're available again in our country !

Dave

Posted by: David S. at May 5, 2007 04:51 AM

Did you really have to restrict the pages with information about the artists too? That shouldn't interfere with any laws - it's just info about artists and reviews of albums.

Anyway, I would like to thank you for changing the way I think about music. The day I could no longer listen to Pandora was a very sad one.

Posted by: Julie at May 5, 2007 06:06 AM

Hey,

Isn't there anything we could do from our respective countries? I'm living in France. Always been lissening to Pandora. And thought I always will. Bought a cd the other day, (again) thanks to hearing it on Pandora.

I'd be happy to send emails or letters or whatever to important people.

Let us know!

Keep it going!

Jan.

Posted by: Jan at May 5, 2007 06:52 AM

What a shame! What a shame for all of us to witness the birth of a new idea, a revolutionary shift in the world of internet radio and music in general,and then witness it's burial !

With great excitement,i was already telling everybody about Pandora in the time i began hearing about this licensing issue!

Guys,keep up the good work,bcz i believe this situation will come to an end,and we will enjoy Pandora once again the same way we used before.

Thank you for all the moments of joy u gave us throughout this period.

Posted by: Rami at May 5, 2007 07:02 AM

What a shame! What a shame for all of us to witness the birth of a new idea, a revolutionary shift in the world of internet radio and music in general,and then witness it's burial !

With great excitement,i was already telling everybody about Pandora in the time i began hearing about this licensing issue!

Guys,keep up the good work,bcz i believe this situation will come to an end,and we will enjoy Pandora once again the same way we used before.

Thank you for all the moments of joy u gave us throughout this period.

Posted by: Rami at May 5, 2007 07:05 AM

It is a shame that I will no longer be able to access Pandora from the UK, but I continue to support this wonderful site, and sincerely hope that it enjoys widespread success.

Here's to hoping that Pandora has a European release!

Olly

Posted by: Olly at May 5, 2007 08:49 AM


Here in Argentina I and my family wait paciently the time we can hear the radio again during the lunch and dinner instead of the f*ck television.

Thank you very much for all for Tim and all Pandora Team.

Posted by: Cicco at May 5, 2007 08:52 AM

I GET SO BESIDES MYSELF... SOME PEOPLE THINK THE GOVERNMENT HAS TO CONTROL EVERYTHING.
TOO MUCH GREED PERSONAL FREEDOMS WILL CONTINUE TO DIMINISH IF WE DONT STAND UP AND SAY NO.
THE PEOPLE REPRESENTING US ARE ELECTED BY US IF THEYS DONT DO THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE KICK THEM OUT.
BE PRO ACTIVE WRITE THE PRESIDENT, THE SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE, YOUR CONGRESS AND SENATORS TELL THEM NO TO FEDERAL INTRUSION IN THINGS WHERE THEY ARE NOT NEEDED.
FIGHT BACK ALL...... FRANK N5MDVNEWMEXICO

Posted by: FRANK at May 5, 2007 09:16 AM

A sad bit of news, but I appreciate the thoughtful explanation and fully understand the reasons behind the decision. I always considered myself to be on borrowed time with Pandora, the legislation being what it is.
That said, I'll keep my fingers crossed that some day I can tune in again. You offered me a much needed musical lifeline all the way down here in Patagonia, and I'll miss you.

Posted by: Nick at May 5, 2007 09:31 AM

Pandora is really the best interactive radio ever!
The concept of the "genes" (instead of genres) is just unique and much cooler then correlating playlists like last.fm.

Could you possibly allow access to the profiles and the song/artist library ? At least I could still see the stations and favorites. That should not stand in the way of licensing issues. It's really important, because my favorites-list is not saved anywhere else on a PC or internet.

Posted by: Chris (altpapier9) at May 5, 2007 09:43 AM

It�s so sad. Please return as soon as possible to your listeners in Germany.

Sincerely author40

Posted by: author40 at May 5, 2007 10:09 AM

Here is song/poem to express my frustration

My neighbors song is gone but hopefully not for long we people need to sing strong
There should be no such silence

I hear the cries of nations
I read the notations of frustrations
and Tim we know you tried our little blue planet cried when you had to pull the plug.

So sad, so bad, how mad are you congress to deny the rights of free joy.
Were talking music here to hear theres nothing for anyone to fear

I hear the cries of nations
I read the notations of frustrations
and Tim we know you tried our little blue planet cried when you had to pull the plug.

Music all our ears hear and most of us hold it dear like a child
Coast to coast artist that boast their lyrics of life directly through the data umbilical that links us to the world.

I hear the cries of nations
I read the notations of frustrations
and Tim we know you tried our little blue planet cried when you had to pull the plug.

RFC/rc 5/2007


Posted by: Roland at May 5, 2007 10:41 AM

Dear Tim,
I acknowledge receipt of your letter and what I can say is that, after all, it was clear from the beginning that Pandora was for US listening only. However, I don't seem to have fully understood why. As a matter of fact, you, as a web broadcaster, are paying the due royalties (in 2008 it will be 0,0014 USD per performance when in 2006 was 0,0008) and that's fair (I'm not arguing about copyright even if the increase in this case is around 75%). As a result I don't see why you should pay royalties for each country to which you breadcast. I think that it should be a "or - or" situation: or you pay royalties in the country you broadcast or you pay in the country the broadcast is transmitted. It may be a naive argument, but I would appreciate if you could clarify this point.

I haven't mentioned how brilliant is your idea of Music Genome Project, but I'm sure that you already know that

Best regards

Paride

Posted by: Paride at May 5, 2007 10:46 AM

Hey Woric (and others),

Thanks for posting your feedback. Just to clarify, this is a matter of international law (not just US law), and in order to become legally licensed in other countries in the future, we have to respect the law and licensing situation in each of those other countries.

The best way to work toward bringing Pandora back to where you live is to spread the word about the international licensing situation within your country, and to let the record labels (and their subsidiaries) within your country know that you'd like them to work with Pandora!

Thanks again for posting.

Best wishes,

Ian (Pandora Listener Support)

Posted by: iellisonPAN at May 5, 2007 11:08 AM

Hi FCO and Air Thana,

We've definitely heard your feedback about wanting to keep access to Pandora Backstage and to your Profile Pages and Station Pages, and I'd recommend checking back in a week or two for an update.

Best wishes,

Ian (Pandora Listener Support)

Posted by: iellisonPAN at May 5, 2007 11:12 AM

It?s so bad! I?m sad. Thanks for sharing stations and let me discover new sounds and music.

Regards from CHILE

Posted by: Ofelia at May 5, 2007 11:38 AM

a shame really... big thanks for all the great moments with you for all of us in Czech rep. (i believe i was one of pioneers here too). but as others have pointed out, how does it come you are forced to do this, and live365 or last.fm can act worldwide? if you can, please provide us with the full story, you owe us this.
(and btw. i would really love to see some numbers - how has this step decreased the overall traffic on pandora? 30%? more?)

Posted by: Adam Zbiejczuk at May 5, 2007 11:49 AM

Tim and the gang.. You were such a big inspiration for me.. You've given me an enormous insight in many different genres and made me make my own songs better..
-It's very sad that I'm not gonna be able to sit for hours and hours and just listen to new artists and discover new enchanting sounds..
I sincerely hope to get the privilege of logging into Pandora again some day..

Good luck guys!


Ahmed - Denmark

Posted by: Ahmed at May 5, 2007 12:35 PM

free trade! whatever happened to that, hey!
keep up the good work!
C.

Posted by: a at May 5, 2007 01:11 PM

Greetings from Germany... Props for what you accomplished - I apreciate it a lot - found a lot of new artists through Pandora and I'm now sad and pissed that I can't listen to you it anymore.
Dickes need auf Pandora !

Posted by: shaD at May 5, 2007 01:21 PM

I'm a US Citizen living in Brussels (temporarily) and I'm really cut up over this.

Pandora has been a boon for us since we've been here. Local radio isn't much use to us. With Pandora we can listen to our favorite music (jazz mostly) and we've bought a lot of very good music through we first heard on Pandora.

I guess I'll get Pandora once we move back home, but in the meantime, this has been terrible news.

Posted by: Sean O'Leary at May 5, 2007 01:23 PM

This is very sad. You know, i'm from Chile, so, now i'm out.
Well, good bye, and thanks for all the music

Posted by: tommygun at May 5, 2007 01:29 PM

Hi pandora Team:
I really sad about this news but i think why you finds partners on all other countries.Or a new rates for international customers.I love you your service i hope ear god news from you.

Daniel DF Mexico

Posted by: Daniel Rodriguez at May 5, 2007 03:26 PM

Tim and Pandora,

I was listening from The Netherlands, and when I was sad, I listen to my favourite Stations on Pandora. Why? Because they discover me music that I'll like. I am enormous sad about this, Pandora.com was my favourite website and when I was online, I listened to Pandora music.

The quality and the various numbers gave me the feeling of real music. Sometimes my speakers stand so loud, because on thing... I like Pandora music, and I will thank all the Pandora Crew/Staff- members for their support and help in this wonderful "The Music Genome project". Pandora may proud of themselves.

And after all... Now I must download music and all my money goes to that, and in times I was listened to Pandora. I bought only the music that I really liked, but I can't live without good music and then it begins at the same place where the illegal music industry begun. My English is not very good, but I hope that you can understand me, and know why I'm so sad.

Pandora, thanks for all the things that you've did for the worlds music discovering. Fight for global service, and I (and many other peoples) return to this lovely service, then. For now, Pandora- Save the Internet radio, the slogan that we may not forget.


Kind regards,
A dutch listener

Posted by: Freek at May 5, 2007 04:49 PM

I truly, truly wish for licensing that runs world wide. My friends and I are fans of popular music from Japan and Korea, and on occasion we have struggled with obtaining it. DVD regions have also been a thorn in our side when buying concerts from the artists we love.

I found your site only recently, but I look up to the understanding and hopeful attitude that permeates the entire site. I know that solutions will come with time. Market demand will grow (it will!) and the solutions will come. You guys are a part of that wave.

Posted by: Amanda R. Smith at May 5, 2007 07:42 PM

Truly sad, thanks to Pandora I renewed my love for jazz and started BUYING music again after a long time. From now on I will make sure that any Cds I buy are NOT sourced or manufactured in the US.

Posted by: Gerard at May 5, 2007 07:57 PM

I am from Singapore. Pandora has ben with me for almost 1 year. It is the one I enjoy while working at the office.

Keep the fingers crossed that Pandora will come back one day, for those who stay outside US.

Guys, thnx for great music and great effort. Thumbs up !

Posted by: Kevin at May 5, 2007 08:57 PM

I always loved you guys. You're pretty awesome. It's sad that I won't be able to play pandora in the house anymore (I'd hook my pc up to my speakers and keep it playing throughout the day and keep smiling like a fool), but I'm sure sooner or later it'll be in India. But THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU for all the good times.

Posted by: Pi at May 5, 2007 09:17 PM

You know, living and working through this last year as an American in South Korea was made a lot easier with you guys. I signed up in the states, my address is in the states, but my current IP address is in South Korea. Now I have to listen to Korean pop. I'm gonna go nuts...

Posted by: Stephanie at May 5, 2007 11:05 PM

This is so dissapointing and I hope you fix me up soon with my daily dose of tunes that i dance to in the shower, while i'm getting dressed, while i'm cleaning the house, cooking dinner and just chilling with my 5 yr old son who loves to dance, he rocks with me. Music is food for my soul and without your awsome ongoing music flow searching for certain songs has been a pain. Australia doesn't have the same good taste of hip hop and r'n'b as you guys in the US, it can be hard sometimes to find the right style of music in our music stores. you should also concider selling songs individualy rather than advertising albums to buy. Sometimes I just like one particular song. Can't wait to have you back on line.

Peace

Posted by: Amanda D at May 5, 2007 11:17 PM

I plugged in for trial purposes. I was not with you for very long. I was seriously impresses by Pandora. It is an outstanding site, and it's ability to turn up like music from a starting point is devestatingly accurate. The site can only be rated as Outstanding.

Here is hoping you can get it licenced in other markets.

Good Luck for the future.

Posted by: Dennis Muldownie at May 5, 2007 11:30 PM

It is sad. The damn lawyers will again. The DMCA wins again. The really sad part is for those artists I have not discovered yet, the ones that I have not had come up on my stations that I like.

This service has allowed me to discover hundreds of new artists and buy their music by either download or traditional CDs. And now that is no more. So much for the Australia / US free trade agreement, and our local changes in copyright.

Posted by: Gary Barber at May 6, 2007 02:02 AM

Hi Tim & Pandora team,

Thanks for taking the time to explain the situation. I appreciate your message.
I am Belgian but I have been listening to your station since more than two years from my home in Dubai, U.A.E.
During these years you have introduced me to hundreds of artists and genres of music that were unknown to me. As so many other loyal listeners I bought numerous (otherwise) unknown CDs. Thanks to your introductions these artists have benefited from the existence of Pandora. Therefore, not only I and other listeners outside the US are feeling truly sad about the measure you were forced to take. I am sure that musicians all over the world will feel as disappointed and heart broken. But I dare to hope that we will be hearing you again, hopefully not in the too distant future !

With thanks,
JP


Posted by: JP Eulaers at May 6, 2007 03:00 AM

No balls, no guts.
Won't you stand up to the bullies?
sad, sad Pandora...

Posted by: Eyal at May 6, 2007 03:04 AM


This is really a shame - I don't want to blame anybody, but this is pure ignorance of a given situation.

Globally made money does not stink. Globally made wars are allowed - but not to stream music outside of the US-territory - this is ridiculous business.

Anyway, everyone outside US territory is waiting for a solution - because even your US customers are hindered if they travel outside US. That's really nonsens.

Regards rorahoch from corpXpress
http://corpxpress.blog.de/2007/05/05/ende_fur_pandora_com~2213129

Posted by: rorahoch at May 6, 2007 03:19 AM

well, this is just another u.s. of a. joke.
i listened to pandora over a year now and i, like many others by the looks of it (posts) went to buy CD's from Artist before completely unknown to me.
sad ? dissapointing ?
Nope.
this is just something we all should have expected years ago.
this was simply too good to be true.

Posted by: just a matter of time at May 6, 2007 04:49 AM

I'm feeling the same like Tim Westergren:

This is a sad day.. for Pandora.. for me.. for music. Pandora gave me freedom.. it gave me culture.. it gave me happiness. Pandora made me love music again, made me buy CD's again, made me discover.

Thank you for the great service and taking care of my channels until you're back. I truly hope you can overcome all the difficulties and open up for the world again. To give everyone back the freedom, culture and happiness you created..!

Posted by: Liviu at May 6, 2007 04:53 AM

hello, i'm Portuguese e i'm very disappointed with this. for me, pandora , is a great radio and i passed all the time listening this radio.

thanks for all and i wish that you can obtain the necessary licence.

kind regards Paulo Alves

Posted by: Paulo Alves at May 6, 2007 05:31 AM

I really tought this was the best website there ever was.

Posted by: Bjorn at May 6, 2007 05:48 AM

You know what? You guys SUCK.

You provided quality and interesting content to those of us outside of the US for years, and suddenly back down because you're afraid of some US company? The United States does NOT control the bloody internet, and I've lost all respect for Pandora as a website for lying down and taking it from the big companies. By not sticking up for many of your loyal fans, and banning us instead, you've just alienated us. If Pandora goes bankrupt and shuts down, I will not be sad. Jerks.

Posted by: Ali at May 6, 2007 06:57 AM

One of the finest things I?ve known in my whole internet-life experience has come to an end. First of all, thank you very much for the commitment in delivering quality and ideas in a music station (I must say my Whitey, Ladytron and The United States of America radio stations made me proud... of course due to the curation of Pandora's programmers), and the respectfull and touchy way Pandora's team expressed to us the end of an era.
2nd, it's a shame that law makers are so stiff, stupid and lazy that they can?t make efforts for making complete analysis that don't put all different things as the same, Is like putting PBS with the same restraints (many of them economical) as FOX. They don't even understand that this radio stations, Pandora at top, are an excellent way of promoting and making profit of US finest culture (well, some groups are from UK and stuff, but I think you get the point specially me writing about the concept in Pandora), instead of promoting Big Mac's and Britney's gossip.

We'll miss Pandora's style... Hope listening to you soon!

Alberto from Mexico City

Posted by: Alberto at May 6, 2007 09:56 AM

Tim, i can't believe that this will be true... but it's a shame, a pity for me, to see that i can't continue listen Pandora from now till... how knows when....

I'm a listener from Spain (in Europe), and every day i tried to listen to Pandora, while i was working in my office, to my "personal music" from Pandora, but now, i don't know what will i do...

If i can help you and your project "Pandora" to try to obtain a license to work in Spain, say to me, send me a e-mail, i have knowledge of intelectual propierty rights manegement, because a work in laws area.

Don't let your fight, i think that a lot of us will be near of you and your project "Pandora".

I'll wait your answer, bye.

PD: Sorry for my poor English, i try my best to write this.

Posted by: Modes at May 6, 2007 10:17 AM

I'm very sorry to hear about that.
I had a wonderful times listening Pandora
Hope soon it will be possible to connect with you from everywhere of the world
I'll miss you

Thanks to all Pandora's team

Posted by: Ricard at May 6, 2007 11:04 AM

hey i'm really sad about not being able to listen to this music anymore..i love it!! it's soo sad!! I live in canada and hopefully u'll be able to keep it going here too? it's not like it's very far from the states? anyways, i'm really sad about this, but thnx for letting me listen while i'm able to:)

Posted by: alicia at May 6, 2007 11:50 AM

What are they thinking??!! The opportunity for thousands of bands and musicians to have their music broadcast around the world to potential purchasers and they limit it to the us market???

But thank you to Tim and the Pandora crew for providing this amazing service - Pandora may not have been all that well known in New Zealand but you definitely had some very loyal fans over here. Hopefully we will hear from you again one day soon.

Posted by: Nic at May 6, 2007 01:17 PM

Really sad... but thank you. Pandora is a great way to discover music. I found some of my favourite bands here. So thanks and good luck with your efforts.

Posted by: cronopioluisma at May 6, 2007 02:44 PM

AAAAAAAaaaaaaa :'( :'( disaster

Posted by: borov at May 6, 2007 02:45 PM

This is just stupid.
1) It was good buisness for them.
many people bought cds... something rare on the internet with the advent of p2p downloading.

2) I don't see why the RIAA should profit off of Pandora. As mentioned above, it was good buisness for them, and doing no more harm then any normal FM Radio Station. So why constrict it?

3) If anyone wants to constrict Pandora use *beyond* the American borders, I do not believe it is up to the *American* associations.

I'll heartily tell the RIAA to shove their regulations where the sun don't shine from this side of their imaginary line across the world.
Any day, Anytime, Anywhere.

Being from an island in the Med, I doubt Pandora will be here any time soon.
Yours faithfully, waiting till the RIAA pulls it's head out of it's ass,
Bob.

Posted by: Bob at May 6, 2007 04:02 PM

Have been a regular listener for quite some time here in Australia and have found many new artists and their music that I never would have found if not for you guys. Have purchased several of their albums solely as a result of hearing their songs on Pandora. I wonder how many artists have benefited as a result of your efforts and how many are now going to lose that as a result of you being forced to stop broadcasting to other countries like Australia? I'll be here when you guys return and thanks for all the great music.

Posted by: Chris at May 6, 2007 06:54 PM

It is very unfortunate. I enjoyed listening Pandora radio from Japan.

Posted by: Sada at May 6, 2007 06:55 PM

This is a great loss to all music listeners. It was a wonderful experience while it lasted. Seems like not everyone agrees with what Tim revealed:

...we do not see Live365 or last.fm taking the same precautions (as many users have noted likewise). The clues lead me to think that perhaps there was something else...

http://zhongg.com/blog/pandora-no-more-the-real-reason/

Posted by: Sam at May 6, 2007 07:41 PM

I am so saddened. Other Internet Radios go are so far beyond pandora it feels like I'm living in 1995.

Posted by: Andrew at May 6, 2007 08:19 PM

Tim, guys,

You nearly gave me a heart attack today! I know that the radio is blocked, but since there are no links on the restricted page, I thought we were banned from the podcasts and blog too! I had to do a google search to get here. :)

Could you please add back the link to the blog and the podcasts to the restricted page. Although us "fureners" can't listen to the radio, I'm sure many would like to keep up with the blog and our fortnightly dose of Kevin!

Posted by: Andreas Sher at May 6, 2007 08:49 PM

Dear Pandora Listeners


Pandora has been amongst my favorite websites since months, ive been listening to my channels all the time, and it seems that Pandora knows much more about MY kind of music than me LOL.:) Thank you for the good times, now i'm very sad and hopeless, in addition i dont see any chance getting music license here in Hungary in the near future.
As far as i know Internet is about freedom and free information, plus about free music. If you can download music from EVERYWHERE, i mean torrent sites, and p2p stuffs, then i really don't understand what is it with Pandora, and websites like this and with the music industry, and music companies. I won't buy more cds if they take away the chance to listen to the songs in the first place. Its just my opinion.

Keep up the good work, i'll check back soon, there is always hope...

Attila from Hungary

p.s.: i'm not fluent in english, sorry 4 the mistakes

Posted by: Attila at May 6, 2007 09:36 PM

A huge step backwards for the culture all over the world. Sad day, honestly. Right management associations will kill themselves.

Posted by: Ivan at May 6, 2007 11:04 PM

This is sad on so many different levels. It's sad for me personally, because I loved Pandora, I introduced Pandora to most of the people I know, and they all shared the love. Even my mom who is extremely closed minded when it comes to music and only listens to songs she already knows and loves, enjoyed using Pandora.

But it's also sad that the internet, the one thing that's supposed to connect the different parts of the world and create one culture, is being blocked off for some because of bureaucracy.

Just sad.

Posted by: Naama at May 7, 2007 12:06 AM

First of all: This sucks.

Other than that I can say this:

Numbers of Albums bought the first 30 years of my life: 30 (no music is not a big part of my life)

Numbers of Albums (full price) bought this past year after finding them through pandora: 10

Now I would admit that I'm not a big consumer of music. But through Pandora I'm exposed to lots of great music, and I am somehow "forced" to buy some of it :-). That means that if Pandora (and similar services) are shut down, I will stop buying music.

This is not because I'm angry at the system. It's simply because now I will be exposed to less good music (the standard radio channels tend to spew out garbage) that I have no control over.

Posted by: mats at May 7, 2007 12:23 AM

La musica debe ser libre.
ya he buscado otros radios pero ninguno tiene la estructura de pandora,
es una lastima que los politicos puedan controlar y limiten las expresiones cuturales de la humanidad.

Posted by: Po at May 7, 2007 12:26 AM

Hi Tim and the Gang,
Over here in Australia we are literally force-fed what we get to hear. Pandora allowed me to expand my musical horizons beyond the limiting censorship of being just too far away to be economically reached by new releases and artists. I learned some new sounds and many of these are now firm friends.

I used to listen to Pandora from midnight on, as over here we pay premium rates for peak-time downloads. The hours from midnight to dawn are free on my plan, so that's when I listened.

Pandora became a great friend to keep me company during the wee small hours while I was working or, on the odd occasion, romancing (awesome mood setter!).

I'll miss your company, people. You did more than provide music. Pandora was a whole experience for me.

So, thanks heaps guys, and let me know if/when the music will play again down under.

Peter from Australia

Posted by: Peter at May 7, 2007 12:34 AM

it is more than sad. i have been listening to pandora over years (!!!) by now and suddenly it is gone... even though i do not really get the (legal) point, there must be something about it otherwise you would not stop, i belive... i loved pandora and the musical possibilities it offered a lot, so do your best to bring it back to the world...
cheers and good luck from berlin/germany

Posted by: pavtav at May 7, 2007 12:35 AM

This is terrible. I know you don't want your site closed down, but neither do the people at Digg, yet they made a decision to tell the ACS Licensing Authority to shove their cease and desist up their ass. Screw the RIAA. If they don't like it, let them sue. Stand by your principles, and if you are going down then go down all guns blazing, just don't surrender to them.

Posted by: Barton71 at May 7, 2007 01:42 AM

Oh well... There goes the best guide to new music I ever had. I live in India, so I don't think I'll be seeing Pandora again in this country during my lifetime.

Oh, and I'm hung up on music from the 80s. Not something most people around me know anything about. I discovered at least three awesome bands thanks to you.

This means I'm gonna have to download more mp3s. I guess that should make the RIAA happy.

So long, and thank you for the music.

Posted by: Arjun at May 7, 2007 03:14 AM

There is no legal reason to block non-US listeners. Who would sue you? Who are you afraid of? Do you think the finnish government would sue an american-based website broadcasting quality music, when there are trillions of warez sites and mp3 sellers around the world online?

There are plenty of other worldwide online radio stations. I dont see them blocking non-US listeners.

There is nothing to be afraid of, and I believe your decision is based on nothing but fear. Following the drama about broadcasting rights in the US as a whole, you decided to tighten up on all procedures to be watertight. You are cutting yourself out on a huge marketshare by this decision. Quality-wise, you actually had the best online music concept.

Disappointed still, I want to thank Pandora for many hours of listening so far.

Posted by: mikkel at May 7, 2007 03:53 AM

Here is what to do:

Unblock all IPs.

Then, require Pandora users to sign up or modify their profile choosing a US state of residence. It will be up to users to lie or not, and thereby in their hands. Noone will ever be able to legally approach you anything.

Then, delete this comment.

Posted by: thomas at May 7, 2007 04:02 AM

good luck to you all....
and thanks for everything !
take care !
XXX

Posted by: manon at May 7, 2007 06:44 AM

nooooooooooooooo!!! porfavor!!!
porque quieren controlar todo? no les es suficiente lo que hacen para que exista la pirateria.
podrian dejarnos en paz!!?? PANDORA se ha dedicado a propagar la cultura musical en todo el mundo.
dejen de cerrarnos puertas

Posted by: dulce at May 7, 2007 06:56 AM

It sucks, but I guess that's what the RIAA wants. Ironically, I have bought more music in the time I've listened to Pandora, than I have in years before.

Posted by: Jakob S at May 7, 2007 06:56 AM

Hi !

first of all it is REALLY a major blow to not have pandora anymore. It became in a very short time a service I use every day. I found TONS of new bands there and bought the cds, sometimes with tremendous efforts to get them from allover the world. The Record Companies should give Pandora PRAISE for bringing their artists to the poeple allover the world and make them heard. And with the direct links to amazon and ITunes .. HELLO ??? ANYONE AT HOMEE ?? That really made people buy music they otherwise would not have found because in the "normal" radio their favorites are NEVER played ...

So please do the impossible and bring our pandora back to Denmarkd, Germany and the rest of the world ! If I have to pay for pandora ... name your price an I would gladly pay my part to be back in the arms of my stations ...

so long
Torsten

Posted by: Torsten at May 7, 2007 07:03 AM

It's too bad...I'm so sad...Just Keep faith...Life is really getting harder without Pandora.


By sammie from Beijing, China

Posted by: Sammie at May 7, 2007 08:06 AM

This is bad day for me, I have ben listening for only a couple of weeks and Pandora has been the highlight in my day.
I hope you can get this sorted out for the Aussies. I suppose I should not have been listening in the first place, but it was fun to pretend we lived in Beverly Hills. (I am sure Uncle Jed would have had to stop Granny taking a shotgun to those dagnabbit legal fellahs for stopping our fun!!)
Seriously, I have already bought several new Cd's o the strength of new music I have heard on Pandora. This is a good thing for the commercial aspects of the music industry.

Posted by: Bill at May 7, 2007 09:52 AM

I seriously don't like it but I understand your reasons so no hard feelings. I hope you make it globally but I doubt that will happen anytime soon so I will probably not be waiting for you. :-(

Posted by: Spaceman at May 7, 2007 11:15 AM

What is the difference where I'm listening from.
I am a Canadian citizen and just because I'm living somewhere else at the moment, it should not mean that I don't have access to the site.

NOT TO MENTION THE FACT THAT YOUR REPRESENTATIVES CAME TO POLAND AND ADVERTISED THE WEBSITE.

In the future, if you're not going to allow such websites in Poland don't go and advertise it here.

That's not fair and I think someone should be fired.

Posted by: Jakub at May 7, 2007 11:15 AM

AH� les va IN ENGLiSH

This is what generally happen with the good ideas that manage to offer moments of happiness to great number of persons, simply as the personage supervised by this ship not this one seeking to enrich with this, they present the difficulties that we are observing...

... But imagine in what this wonderful idea would turn into hands of a Bill Gates or a similar monopolist...

... I believe that alone we still have to remember Pandora as a sincere effort of a man and his group of work, for transporting million persons across fabulous musical trips...

Thank you Pandora for giving him to a tons of people about the world the music to that they wanted to listen.

A GREETING FROM COLOMBIA

Posted by: leo_verdolaga at May 7, 2007 12:34 PM

This is very bad news. I can understand your decision , however.

I didn't have much time to try to discover new artists until I started listening to Pandora. I think it is a bad decision for both artists en listeners. I am gladly willing to pay for Pandora if you bring it back to the Netherlands!

Posted by: arjen netherlands at May 7, 2007 12:40 PM

May I second to what "leo_verdolaga" said above.

Previously I had just started on the way down to P2P and illegal downloading. Then I found Pandora.
I have not illegally downloaded *A SINGLE TITLE* ever since!

While I felt a pinch in my heart about the US ZIP code, I felt that a minor offence compared to what benefits Pandora delivered to legal music industry as a by-product.

Pandora introduced me to plethora of my now-favorites that I even didn't know *existed* - let alone liked!! I purchased them CD's - many of them. No other concept (BitTorrent included) can achieve the same.

Although I never came around to purchasing the "ad-free" option, I now find myself quite willing to pay for what Pandora is and means to us music lovers.

As all this banning stuff really boils down to $money$ - plain and simple - so let's offer the music conglomerates that! Let's set up a vote (or make it a payable pre-order, if you will) for people outside the US to opt-in and be re-instituted for $money$. That is what the industry moguls do understand!

This is a free market economy: They want $money. Let's offer them $money$, Let's let the $money$ talk.

I am sure if enoug $$$ starts piling up, and if Tim & co. deliver that message to the labels, maybe they see the writing on the wall.

Posted by: Toweri at May 7, 2007 01:31 PM

WORST NEWS EVER! I really enjoyed using Pandora. I am soooo sad that i will no longer be able to use it. I will pay for it, but it seems that even paying you can't use it. Damn. Too bad.
Anyway, thanks for giving us a lot of good work. I enjoyed discovering new artists everyday.
Man, i will miss you a lot.

Posted by: agente_naranja at May 7, 2007 02:29 PM

Hi Tim, Lucia & Jem,
Hey this is an excellent service ,undoubtedly the best...I have just started creating my stations...It would be great if you could also have World Music specially popular music from Bollywood films ,there is a huge archive and a huge listener base.
I would love to know how you have been able to classify so many songs ,is it done manually or by a intelligent software.

Posted by: Anil Mangani at May 7, 2007 04:46 PM

I can't take this anymore!....

I can only say sorry again and again to all of you.

You've been telling us for a long time how much Pandora means to you. How it has helped you discover music, got you off illegal file sharing, DJ'd your parties, connected you with like-minded listeners, and generally brought you back to music. We feel terrible about this. We can also understand why you might see this as selfish US-centric thinking. It's actually the opposite. Even though the recent CRB ruling in Washington DC has put a serious chill into the prospects outside the US, this is actaully not a US-based problem. We have been told by the rights organzations OUTSIDE the US to do this, and we are just not in a position to disregard their demands and the existing law.

Believe me when I tell you that no one has been more eager about going global than us folks her in Oakland.

We anxiously await progress on the licensing front. Perhaps even a central worldwide licensing body that will make this possible. We'll certainly be doing everything we can to make that happen.

You can rest assured that people are noticing this reaction, both here and around the world.

Thank you again for your passion - in the end there's no way internet radio won't become a global reality...

Regards, Tim (Founder)

Posted by: Tim Westergren at May 7, 2007 05:48 PM

noo! this is so unfair. pandora.com has introduced me to so many bands that i would have never known existed. because of pandora i have supported the united states local music scene from across the border.

it's a very sad day indeed.

i shall listen until you cut me off. and will return the very day you figure out how to bring pandora.com back to canada.

if there is ANYTHING i can do to help, please let me know.

and also i'm with a few others .. i'd be happy to pay a subscription fee if it means that i can keep jax radio going.

thanks to all at pandora. you will be very very much missed by me and all the canadians i have introduced you to.

Posted by: jax radio at May 7, 2007 07:52 PM

I read alot of stuff about legislation...
Isn't it for the respective countries to express what they think the licensing issue should be in their respective countries? a law in the states dictates what the rules are in the US. How can they dictate that what happens outside of the US, why are they allowed to say "refuse access to non us listners" If dues and taxes are paid according to US law, whot the f.ck cares if a belgian living in vietnam is listening on line? Wouldn't it be for vietnamese authorities to say sorry you can't listen?
Can pandora oparate from other countries where law isn't so ass tight?
Can Pandora set up in europe/asia/sth america etc..?
I'dd like to here comments..
pandora still rocks
jacques

Posted by: jacques at May 7, 2007 08:14 PM

It's not as good as pandora, but as long as pandora is unavailable i'll give http://www.musicovery.com/ a try.

Posted by: A former pandora-listener from Germany at May 8, 2007 12:14 AM

I wondered if the story told about blocking overseas access is a bit disingenuous. I saw earlier hints that it was just an economy measure in the face of new higher performance fees.

I doubt the rights holders would object if Pandora streams overseas and pays the US performance fees. Of course, Pandora might not want to do that on the add-supported service, since advertisers might not value overseas listeners as much or at all, and overseas streaming might be a money-losing proposition.

But paid subscribers (whether or not they use a US-billed credit card) are paying plenty to cover the performance fees and give Pandora a profit. Cutting us off seems a little bit dumb-nuts.

Is it really a technical limitation -- that the player software, which can obviously distinguish free vs. paid service, can't impose an IP restriction on the former but not the latter?

Posted by: CB at May 8, 2007 12:31 AM

Guys, you broke my heart. Twice! You should leave backstage to browse by users with banned IPs. I would love to buy some of my favs on CDs, since I cannot listen to them on Pandora anymore. But, I don't remember the names.
So: Please, release backstage from restricted area!

Posted by: Claygirl at May 8, 2007 01:20 AM

no co za kupa! tak lubilam sluchac Pandory a teraz mi ja zablokowali! buuuuuu! jak smieli!!!!!!!

buuuuu!! I liked Pandora so much.. why?? why I can't listen to it now? I'll be waiting then, when Pandora will be available in Poland again.. :(:(:(

Posted by: asta at May 8, 2007 03:28 AM

I think as mikkel do...

RIAA cannot decide for Spanish people and SGAE (our own RIAA) cannot decide about an US service. You are wrong closing the radio because the users are your power, and I suppose a hughe amount won't come back when are unbanned.

And more. You have music from Spanish artists you cannot pay. Sorry, but it is understandable for me. If RIAA wants to earn money with Celtas Cortos' music (for example) is their problem. They cannot. If SGAE doesn't want to sign the fee, they lose the money too. *It's not your problem*

Close a door, open a window... other internet radios must be very happy with this. One competitor lost :(

Posted by: Lek at May 8, 2007 04:30 AM

I am from Switzerland, and the only internet radio stations in existence there that I know of are from some FM over-the-air stations. The usefulness of internet-broadcasting is, therefore, rather limited. Nothing compared to pandora.com.

I would very much like to access innovative services like www.pandora.com or stations from all over the world such as KCRW. Oh well. I will have to go back to listening to my good old existing music collection.

The more the RIAA and the rest of the music industry insists on criminalizing consumers, the more I am resolved to not willfully support their efforts, which means 1) I will not behave illegally and steal music, but also 2) I WILL NOT BUY NEW MUSIC anymore. My current music collection is fine as it is. Period. I recorded all of my old LPs and cassettes and CDs and MDs on the computer in MP3 format and I can happily live off that, feeding any MP3 player I already bought or that I might want to buy in the near future. DRM protected music, in particular, will NEVER find its way on my hard disks. But this is on another score, sorry for the rant.

Posted by: Daniel at May 8, 2007 04:39 AM

I am so sad. Pandora I will always remember you for the great music choices according to what I like.
I have a question though: Does effect Squeezebox (from slimdevices.com) owners outside US?

Posted by: Saxtus at May 8, 2007 05:25 AM

RIAA once again shows all the hypocrisy of the music industry. And pandora listeners just have to sit back and enjoy the ride...
Its sad to see things like this in a so called "free country".

What can we do? http://www.last.fm

Posted by: the Man at May 8, 2007 06:43 AM

It was great while it lasted but in this day and age all good things do seem to come to an end when the greedy get involved.

I live in Dubai and Pandora was a blessing in a land where FM radio is truly dreadful and the selection of CDs available to buy are limited and over priced.

The quality of the stream you provided sounded fantastic played through large speakers and many people were impressed and logged on themselves.

I hope to hear you again one day!

Posted by: Miranda Diboll at May 8, 2007 06:44 AM

"All good things comes to an end..."

Nelly rulez ;-)

Posted by: Tolder at May 8, 2007 06:59 AM

There are sad news throught the days but this one is beyond a sad new. I'm pretty optimistic that we'all have Pandora back soon. don't give up, I'll be waiting anxiously. Good Luck.

Posted by: Mario at May 8, 2007 08:27 AM

ITS A SHAME AND A STEP BACK TO THE DARK AGES IN THE MUSIC WORLD...! You have our full support here in Mexico city!!!
DONT LET THE CORPORATIVE DEF PEOPLE KILL PANDORA!!!!!!

Posted by: Daniel at May 8, 2007 09:11 AM

I just wanted to jump in and give my opinion on what Ian (from Listener Support at Pandora) replied in regards to this whole thing about licensing. He says that is not just the US law that must be respected but that is a matter of international law. I don’t think this is completely true, if Pandora is based in the USA then the problem is in that territory. And it probably has to do with the fact that the Legislators that passed this law know very well that is only inside the USA that the RIIA will be able to collect the royalties; so they don’t care about the listeners outside the USA. Foreign listeners not only of Pandora but also of any other streaming service, can buy music from Amazon and other providers, this means that the artists (independent or not) will always benefit and take the just profit from that sale made through a service called streaming radio (Pandora in this case) and Amazon (a service that sells the album(s) the buyer wants, and the buyer may by located in China, Russia, South America, Australia, New Zealand, etc). The Internet is not radio wave like the FM/AM radio stations, in most cases is a connection made through the telephone lines and other systems (I’m not an engineer) the thing is that these bastards can not control the internet in other countries, only in the USA, because of sovereignty, just as they control the radio waves, and other frequencies in that territory. Foreign countries have their own regulations and in many cases, especially in third world countries such legislation is incipient, and does not regulate such things as licensing music through the internet. There for, it is impossible for third world countries to have some sort of agreement with Pandora and the Record Companies and the artist, this will never happen. The only solution must be taken in the USA, and maybe in countries like the UK and some European Countries, but if Pandora wants to work there, it will have to comply with the law in those countries and the RIIA has no competence. I wonder what’s behind all of this, I really find it very strange and I don’t know how can a country such as the USA, which supposedly is fighting for freedom overseas, is closing the possibility of international integration through music and art. This shows how particular interest can always prevail against general interest, even in a Democracy such as the North American. Hypocrisy is what it is. I don’t see this happening to other streaming radios like lastfm, etc. The problem is inside the United States. (Sorry for my English, but I’m Peruvian I hope you can get to where I’m trying to get)

Posted by: Alvaro at May 8, 2007 11:31 AM

Hi Tim,
I'm missing Pandora too - hope you will be back again in Germany. Wich "rhights organizations" outside the US are responsible? Please tell us the names - so we can react and give them a phonecall ...
Chris

Posted by: Chris at May 8, 2007 01:20 PM

I am relieved to hear that- for now at least- you will continue to broadcast to Canada. I have worked in independant broadcast radio, and the upsurge in royalty fees prevented us from podcasting our shows- almost put us off the air in fact. We are in a constant struggle for survival. TO THOSE LISTENERS WHO ARE BLAMING TIM AND CREW: you are directing your frustration against the wrong people. Instead of targeting the good people who created and manage this fantastic site, target the people who are starving out the indie stations, the small labels, the internet radio stations. Fight those who would kill internet democracy. Boycott the labels. Write your governments. It's not enough to whine: FIGHT.

Posted by: Chorske at May 8, 2007 01:56 PM

DUDE THAT SUCKS IM IN THE US BUT WHY DID THEY DO THAT TO THE OTHER COUNTRIES

Posted by: SUMBODY at May 8, 2007 02:59 PM

Its really dissappointing not have Pandora, it was the way of knowing more music. What we could do here in Mexico?

Posted by: habaneroporfavor at May 8, 2007 03:14 PM

To whoever is responsible for this:

I used to discover many new artists I never even knew they existed and I bought their CDs because I wanted to legitimately support them and because I wanted them to do more of the music I loved.

If you (presumably the recording industry) are such a d*ck/ars*hole I will be one too.

From now on I will not buy genuines CDs like I used to - not even a single one! I didn't want to be mean but if you are mean to me I will be mean to you. It is your choice.

From now on I will only listen to illegaly copied music and use my flatrate dsl connection to the fullest.

Just like in the bible: an eye for an eye - and you won't earn a dime!

Posted by: none of your business at May 8, 2007 04:11 PM

Actually, I have never used Pandora. But I think it is totally wrong that lawyers should rule the world and I get angry if they do somthing, that gives the other 0.1% wrongfully a bad reputation.
I believe the Internet is for everyone and that there should be no distinction made in whatever can be accessed based on the country you are in. This is censorship and I am against censorship.
This is a slippery slope.
Why don't you publish the web address of the law firm who did this or whoever is responsible for this arrogant behaviour and may be other Internet users who are more savvy than myself will take justice into their own hands and do the same unto them as they did unto the overseas users? (for example make the law firm's Internet page unavailable for US visitors or just call in everyday on all of their phone numbers to tell them how pissed off they are)


Posted by: Margaret at May 8, 2007 04:12 PM

Is me again…how many countries have a Department of International Licensing? Probably not many. Whose interests are at stake here? Definitely there are many interests and parties involved in all of this non – sense, but whose interest’s, that’s what I would like to know. Who is promoting this?

I’m sure the artists will not get anything out of this action. They have a right to get paid of course, just like any other person who works. Record Companies probably are behind this, I’m not completely sure of that though, but in most cases they own the rights to the songs, therefore they own the songs and they are the ones who get the money or a large percentage of the sales. (But they are losing potential sales as well here)

Someone in power wants to limit/ restrict Pandora’s service and if possible to destroy Pandora; because almost 50% of their listeners are from over seas, by blocking us many new, classic, and mostly unknown artists are losing a great percentage of potential new audiences and followers (internationally). Is this good for the artists/musicians? I really doubt it for sure. Narrowing down things I get to the conclusion that Pandora may have some powerful enemies.

Pandora (staff and creators) you have the obligation to fight this in your own land; that’s the battle field, no where else. The internet is not a place in particular, is a gigantic web that works because there are transmitters in one place and recipients on the other. There are still no international laws applicable; there might be some international agreements between some nations, but there is no international legislation applicable to all nations, because if this where so, there would have to be an International Court specialized in this matter, and as far as I’m concern there is not. You guys as a company have the duty to comply with the law in your country, that’s out of the question; but the internet does not belong to the USA only, so what law is applicable once the information/data/music is in the worldwide web? Each country applies it’s own law if a felony is committed and the felon or offender must be a resident in that particular country; I don’t see you committing any crime or offense in any country, therefore you would be “breaking the law” in the USA only, just because your politicians say so, but that’s arbitrary and not according to constitutional law, because the service you provide is not illegal in anyway. The service you guys provided is even more honest than the regular radio stations because you give a direct option for people to buy from the internet - through the links you provided us with - if they liked what they heard. You have the duty to pay taxes and pay some royalties, and some other obligations; but they can not order you to limit your service in such a radical way, that’s unconstitutional. FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT!!!! We will fight along side of you if necessary (I’m sure there are many warriors out there)The high fees must be cut down as well because that's the means they are using to destroy you.

Posted by: alvaro at May 8, 2007 05:40 PM

This is just wrong. So much music I have bought has come from listening to Pandora's musical suggestions, congrats to the US law for screwing up the spread of music outside of their borders yet again.

Posted by: Jeremy at May 8, 2007 06:36 PM

Dear friends of American freedoms,

I enjoy the idea of lining all of our ducks in a row in order for the freedom of speech to continue into every part of the world as we work toward a greater expansion of technology's finest hour.

The one way to get past all of the hurdles, for me anyway, is to drop mp3 files into chats that are either private or semi-private or small public chat groups, as I use the MSN Live IM CHAT.

While there is no real profit incentive for those of us who record our original mp3 files and drop them into the Chat window for the people on the other side, it is a most rewarding endeavor to carry the torch of freedom around our world as we do.

I'll be interested to see how things pan out with Pandora and internet radio. I'll just keep sending out the mp3 files (legally) until things become more freedom oriented. Who knows? We may even find that the entire concept of radio has served it's usefulness to the free world and it's expansion. Of late, I have been wondering if television and radio aren't more of a dictatorial device than a mass communication device. The internet is certainly a quantum step in the degree of freedom for all who would communicate to anyone.

None of the original Americans made any real money during the revolutionary war until after the victory was achieved, and following the course of our history is still the best way for me to participate. So, whether you are a podcaster doing a small original work, or a boisterous megalo-maniac screaming into a megaphone during a fire drill, I hope we all see true and genuine success, as the children of freedom should and always do.

Posted by: Jack Holeman at May 8, 2007 06:43 PM

I would like to add that the word associated with making money in TV and radio, ROYALTY, has always been viewed as being un-American; kings and queens, popes and religious heirarchy and all such, bearing the disdain of freedom loving men of equal rights and liberties.

People who are looking for the established, secure incomes afforded by long term royalty payments are not always the best ones to look to for and American approach to things.

As the Americans of 1776 once believed, what we need is less Goerge and more human endeavor on the part of us all.

Posted by: JP at May 8, 2007 06:50 PM

I sang professional Gospel music on the major circuit for seventeen years.....all the time listening to this type music as soon as I got off the bus and into my car.Now, you guys are on my computer at a finger's touch in my home....G..R E..A..T...thank you SOOOOOO much.
Blessings, Harold G.

p.s. " love my larry welk musis " Please keep doing a bang-up job.

Posted by: Harold Gilley at May 8, 2007 08:09 PM

Why can foreigners not even use Backstage? At least please continue to open the databanks so we can still look at song attributes. I always used Pandora as a cross-reference for whatever new song I found, whether it was on Pandora or elsewhere.

Posted by: Arnold at May 9, 2007 02:29 AM

one thing i don't understand (maybe you already mentionned it ?) : why can't you let people outside America browse through the music genome project and listen to excerpts and buy the albums (which would maybe earn yourself some money) ?

Posted by: blah at May 9, 2007 05:14 AM

Everyone get behind the movement to send a message to the RIAA and CRB, don't buy music on May 15!!!
http://digg.com/music/Don_t_buy_music_on_May_15th

Posted by: seyDoggy at May 9, 2007 08:20 AM

MAN!! this bites! I am an American, but the U.S., which made the damn law, stationed me in Japan way to support our troops by taking away the wonderful little things that remind its troops of home.. I'll miss you Pandora.. In silence I will miss you =(

Posted by: Nik at May 9, 2007 09:21 AM

Too bad; I miss Pandora:(( Thank you for all the beautiful music as long as it lasted. Hope to "meet" you again :))

Posted by: Inger - Norway at May 9, 2007 01:37 PM

Quel dommage !
Pandora m'a fait tant decouvrir,
Il en restait encore tant a explorer.
Le principe simple, juste, equilibre, novateur de Pandora est efficace:
Divertir, promouvoir, explorer...
Peut etre qu'une legislation elargie pourrait ouvrir des horizons neufs...
J'aurais aime integrer dans mon genome les musiques de Brassens et me laisser voguer au gr de ses synonymes d'autres pays.
Je vous attendrai...

Posted by: Beldin at May 9, 2007 02:02 PM

It is really a great loss!! I love this project, for me is essential to good music listeners.

I will miss Pandora! Please return soon to Portugal listeners, we'll waiting that moment.

Posted by: Pedro - Portugal at May 9, 2007 02:22 PM

And yet another reason why humans should abolish the primitave and territorial idea of countries/nationalism and globalize the whole world into one big, happy family . . . that listens to Pandora, of course. :)

Posted by: Kane at May 9, 2007 06:51 PM

You gave the light to my days, and now I'm fumble in darkness.

I hope there is some hope to the music without boundaries

Czech Republic, Europe(an Union)

Posted by: Tomáš Orsava at May 10, 2007 07:07 AM

WWW.LAST.FM ==> PANDORA'S BROTHER(OR SISTER)
TRY IT :))

Posted by: Marius at May 10, 2007 09:08 AM

Damn... this is sad. Pandora was a great way for me to find new bands to listen to. I had recommended it to my parents, grandparents and some friends, but now they can't use it.

So, back to ripping/downloading songs it is. There's no way in hell I'm paying to see if I like a song, especially with how expensive th