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March 12, 2007

More on the Copyright Ruling

A huge thank you to everyone who has been so supportive over the past week as we've been hit by the stunning ruling on webcast rates. It's very heartening for us to see how much people care about this, and how willing listeners are to pitch in. And how many of you there are!!

There has been an enormous groundswell of opposition to this decision, and we've been hard at work on how to best channel the energy in the right direction. Because the webcasting community does not have an entrenched and powerful lobbying presence in DC, grassroots legislative pressure - constituents contacting their representatives - is clearly our biggest ally.

Internet radio is hostage to a blatantly discriminatory double standard that was written into the federal statute governing webcasting several years ago, following an intensive lobbying effort by the RIAA. We need to redress this, and create a more level playing field - one that of course rewards musicians for their work (I spent years in a band van myself and have always been driven by a desire to lift up musicians), and one that also understands the business realities, and benefits of online radio.

While we figure this out, below are a few of the more informative write ups we've seen in the past week. We also suggest that you visit and sign this petition put together by a collection of webcasters.

Doc Searls Blog

Jason Fry article in Wall Street Journal

LA Times Editorial

Thanks again for your support.

Tim (Founder)

Posted by Tim Westergren at March 12, 2007 07:55 AM

Comments

My only suggestion for this site is to allow users to add any songs they want to the station but not allow additional music from that particular one to spread further away from the original artist or song of the station. It tends to go away from the feel of the station. So there could be one degree instead of multiple degrees of music. The multiple degrees tends to take away from the feel of the music. If they give a thumbs up on songs they like, it will add to what they particularly want to listen to based on the original song or artist they selected as a station. They would be more inclined to collect specific music closer to the original song or artist selected. That's the only issue I have with Pandora at the moment, and I'm learning not to add any music to the original song or artist so that I can give a thumbs down to anything that doesn't fit. At the same time, I don't add a thumbs up always because I have the feeling it would broaden too far away from the original song or artist of the station. Thanks!

Posted by: Ian at March 12, 2007 04:59 PM

I CAN ONLY SAY THAT IS A PLEASURE TO BE ON THIS SITE AND APART OF A WONDERFUL MUSIC LOVING FAMILY..I'M IN BLISS RIGHT ABOUT NOW..I ACIDENTLY STUBBLED ONTO YOU GUYS. MUSIC IS MY PASSION REALLY..IF MUSIC BE THE FOOD OF LOVE..PLAY ON!!! THE SITE IS GREAT IS ALL I CAN SAY..HEY BUT YOU GOT TO GET KANSAS ON THE MAP...I'LL HOOK YA UP AT THE COURTYARD BY MARRIOTT..FRIENDS AND FAMILY RATE WE'LL TREATCHA GOOD...I'M AN ENGINEER AT THE HOTEL/MUSICPRODUCER/HIP HOP DANCE INSTRUCTOR/PORTRAIT ARTIST....GO TO www.myspace.com/ronwessmusaq to get a taste yeah i'm an aspiring artist tryin to spring forward. tonite i have heard some amazing stuff....right now I HAVE THE PAT METHENY CHANNEL...THATS MY MAN, CAUGHT HOLD OF HIM IN THE EARLY 90'S BEEN HOOKED EVERSINCE....HOPEFULLY ONE DAY I CAN COLLAB...GOT SOME WICKED METHENY REMIXES...I'M A DIAMOND IN THE ROUGH IS ALL MY TIME TO SHINE WILL COME..I'M JUST IN IT FOR THE REAL LOVE OF MUSIC....PEACE LOVE & GOD BLESS!!! RON WESS

Posted by: Ron Wess at March 13, 2007 12:36 AM

I've only just discovered this lovely way of listening to some of my favourite songs and artists. It brings back my youth and happy memories. I'm so disappointed that it's been snatched away so soon.

Posted by: elizabeth Kay at March 13, 2007 04:01 PM

Love what you do,guys...
A good friend gave me your link-now I never surf wihout you.Against everyone's wishes,he is going into the Marine Corps right after graduation...
Please,Great Spirit,let him return to us,safe and well.

Posted by: chris at March 13, 2007 10:22 PM

I've just written my representatives in Congress to protest this decision. It's insane, and I'm very cranky at the idea that Pandora might not be around to brighten my days. Your service makes my work day bearable. I can't lose that!

Posted by: Hilary at March 14, 2007 06:43 AM

Hi

I have been listening to Pandora since its conception. I am not a user in the US (so your statement on the FAQ page about Pandora only being for US listening does not really make sense). I live in Europe and listen to Pandora all the time. So do many of my friends. I am sure you have millions of non-US listeners.

I have signed the petition and recommended to all my European friends, who use Pandora as well, to do the same.

Posted by: Thomas at March 15, 2007 07:24 AM

Hey,

Can you post this on the main Pandora page? I be lots of listeners who don't make it over to the blog would want to help. Even better if you had a one click petition they could sign from the front page.

April

Posted by: April at March 15, 2007 10:18 AM

I'm so sorry that your site is getting shut down. When I first came to this site I was so excited about how amazing it was. You guys truly do have an amazing idea here - a golden egg. Now the RIAA is trying to take that away from us.

Man those guys piss me off

Posted by: Matt at March 16, 2007 07:59 AM

I love this site. I use it quite frequently and have heard music I never would have heard otherwise thanks to Pandora. What RIAA is trying to do by hiking fees is ridiculous. I've sent a letter off to my congressmen and also signed the petition. I really really hope this helps makes a difference so other sites, like Pandora can flourish instead of being squashed by big business.

Posted by: Carolyn Kline at March 16, 2007 08:03 AM

The RIAA is becoming insufferable. This legislation is ridiculous and unnecessary. I have been a part of the Pandora community for some time now and the thought of some jerkoff lawyer telling me that I can't listen to radio on the internet is infuriating. They aren't helping the music industry, they are forcing it underground.

Posted by: Erik G at March 16, 2007 08:03 AM

Bastards. So much of paying to access pandora with my squeezebox.

Posted by: d at March 16, 2007 08:05 AM

Suggestion: stick to indie music only. I perfer it anyway, that was my gripe with pandora to begin with was that I couldn't limit it.

Posted by: ToastBusters at March 16, 2007 08:08 AM

I have been listening to Pandora ever since I heard about it a year ago... it has turned me on to all kinds of new artists and music that I couldn't hear anywhere else (as much as my local radio station claims they like to play unheard artists... its mostly local bands only and they're generally not interesting to me). It would be a shame to see such a thing go as I have purchased so much new music in the last year thanks to Pandora.

Posted by: Peter at March 16, 2007 08:22 AM

+1 for the non US listeners...Im from Mexico.. Well actually about +10 cause so do my friends. I cant believe this... Pandora is really cool. Im going to write down the names of my stations and other bands that play in them, just in case. I really hope Pandora doesnt close. =( . I really discovered an infinite amount of new genres/music/bands. I have reached the 100 station limit. Anything from jazz, to rock, to metal, to hip hop, electronica.. etc. Thanks Pandora.! Good Luck.!

Posted by: FLaKes.! at March 16, 2007 08:31 AM

Hi Tim,

Good luck with your efforts to fight the ruling. I signed the petition.

Mignon

Posted by: Mignon Fogarty at March 16, 2007 08:44 AM

Makes you hate riaa even more, eh?

Posted by: mark at March 16, 2007 08:44 AM

The best of luck to you, Tim. Your service gets me through the day as I work online. I respect your comment about lifting musicians up and hope that Pandora remains a mainstay in the lives of many webrats like myself.

Posted by: Philip Arthur Moore at March 16, 2007 08:58 AM

It's time we convince some terrorists that the RIAA is a threat for them :)

Posted by: Skizmo at March 16, 2007 09:14 AM

Just a suggestion, but can't you avoid paying royalties by just playing music from labels that aren't part of the RIAA? If internet music gets big enough, this will put pressure on labels to cancel their RIAA membership.

Posted by: Dave Regan at March 16, 2007 09:30 AM

Hey there -
In response to April's comment, it's true, you should really post this on the main page as well. If people are listening from work, not everyone will be able to access the blog.

As for me, I was hooked from the very beginning! In fact, because of Pandora, I've actually sought out various albums in the stores to purchase a copy for myself, after having been introduced to the artists on pandora.com.....

Posted by: sarr at March 16, 2007 10:08 AM

I've bought so much stuff BECAUSE of Pandora - the RIAA is hurting itself, once again, because it can't see the good use of spreading music for free. I'd never have bought new albums because I wouldn't have found music I liked so easily - Pandora helps album sales, not damage them!

Posted by: James at March 16, 2007 10:08 AM

Keep fighting the good fight!!!

If I can't listen to radio online, I may have to start downloading my favorite music ... from itunes ... yes

Posted by: Astro at March 16, 2007 10:46 AM

I agree with previous posts that you should stop playing music controlled by the RIAA. One option could be to partner with websites like sellaband.com (I'm woefully ignorant about others) that specilaize in music from independent artists.

The main reason I listen to Pandora is that it helps me find new songs that I'd never hear on the Radio. I wouldn't mind at all if Pandora cut-back on music controlled by the RIAA.

Posted by: Eric at March 16, 2007 10:48 AM

it's funny that just as i came searching through pandora's pages wanting to sign up for the pay service, i thought i'd check on the progress of the blog as i read the previous entry a few days ago.
it's not going to end here folks. it's just one of those things that we need to unite together to fight!
has anyone found and sites dealing with this issue so that we can all come together somewhere?
any templates for letters to congresspersons like some campaigns have a just click and send sort of form?
what do we do now?

Posted by: Mark e at March 16, 2007 10:59 AM

oh yeah, for all of you out-of-country listeners, please stop posting that you are listening from outside the US as pandora clearly states that is for US listeners ONLY due to licensing issues.
by posting that you are not from within the US, you are actually hurting Pandora's case although we are all loyal listeners and share our passion for Pandora equally.
please correct me if i'm wrong Tim.
thanks,
mark
-an obsessed listener-

Posted by: Mark e at March 16, 2007 11:05 AM

I've been with Pandora since the beginning...you guys have introduced me to so much amazing music and given me hours of entertainment and education. If the RIAA continues with its selfish reign of greed and forces you guys to close down, you will be missed very much, by me and millions of others. Rock on.

Posted by: Branstetterb at March 16, 2007 11:34 AM

Just want to give you some feedback, I support your effort man and I just signed the petition. Keep fighting the power!

Posted by: Marsello at March 16, 2007 11:35 AM

I'll second what James said. Because of Pandora recommendations, I recently bought three CDs and will be attending a Flyleaf concert at the end of this month--a band I knew nothing about previously.

Posted by: Richard Tallent at March 16, 2007 12:13 PM

hope u get everything worked out, because this site is totally rockin', and I'd hate to see it get tanked by greedy suckers.

You guys have worked way TOO hard for that to happen...

That will piss me off.


BTW, my compliments on the layout, interface, and user experience. It's all gravy.

You might want to allow the users to add 1 or 2 bands from each type/style they listen to: Aggressive, Modern, Classical, Rock, etc...

...and then add "Aggressive" "Moderate" "Calm" "Quiet"
mood radio buttons, so that you can more correctly follow the users current state of mind and music they want to listen to now, not just based on what they like (at all).

There are times I want to listen to Demon Hunter, and times I want to listen to something smoot, calm, and quietly melodic but they're pretty much NEVER back to back. :P

Just my $.02

Posted by: Chad at March 16, 2007 12:43 PM

I would love to have the option of only hearing non-riaa bands on pandora. It would be a nice option (and benefit both artists and pandora) to enter a riaa artist and have pandora share alot of similar riaa-free artists.

Posted by: jeff hause at March 16, 2007 12:49 PM

NPR is also trying to fight this. If you haven't already, you should talk with them. Two heads are better than one.

Posted by: Squee at March 16, 2007 12:52 PM

I dont know how many times when i didnt want to listen to people at my work did this site come in handy. It would be a tragedy to not have this site or other ones like it. The music business exec's just dont get it. Pandora was a great asset to online music.

Posted by: Aaron at March 16, 2007 01:03 PM

Why play RIAA songs? There are more then enough non-RIAA artist out there. This is just the spur the community needs to walk away from RIAA artist. I hope this ruling goes thru so the RIAA will self-destruct and we will not have to deal with them any more.

Posted by: Patrick Asher at March 16, 2007 01:14 PM

I ONLY buy music that I have already listened to, and I only listen to Pandora sside from my iPod. If anything you have helped me to fork over more money to the dirtbags. I hope you stick around and keep your index of RIAA artists, if only so I can type in "Johnny Cash" and get indie artists that sound like them.

Posted by: Trev Copland at March 16, 2007 02:58 PM

Add me to the list of people who have discovered new music and bought several CDs because of Pandora. This is a great concept and I would really hate to lose it.

Posted by: Jim at March 16, 2007 03:31 PM

I don't understand the logic...

You can listen to the radio in your car for free...but you can't on the internet...

Why can't the RIAA get a life?

Posted by: J at March 16, 2007 03:50 PM

If the RIAA thinks I'm going to be buying any music after this, they can kiss my shiny hairless ass. Fuck you RIAA, fuck you to hell. No, not hell, hell is actually to good for scum like you.

I really hope you guys pull trough this, Pandora is by far the best internet radio I've ever had the pleasure of listening to. My days at work are going to be long and boring if you guys go away.

Posted by: Havok at March 16, 2007 04:00 PM

No offense to the authors of this site, but i think that the RIAA should kill internet radio, and they should kill ALL free forms of music. then no one will buy their crap, and they'll fall apart. i can't wait for the day when they force legislation that all americans have to buy 3 cds a month or something like that... you know, so they can stay in business.

I'm getting sick of the RIAA, and anything done to kill it faster makes me gleeful.

Posted by: dave at March 16, 2007 04:02 PM

You have inspired me to open my musical tastes beyond where a music shop could, I can only forever thank you.....

I have been more interested in buying music then ever before form listening to your internet music/radio project

please don't go

Posted by: Ev at March 16, 2007 04:18 PM

well I support you guys, in the same way that youtube videos are able to foster growth of content carriers like CBS, music samplers like Pandora are able to get sales for music record industry.

I just don't like how readily popular pandora has become because it's become quite slow, and a lot of users are trying to abuse pandora as their own personal mp3 download site - which is just wrong.

Posted by: live television at March 16, 2007 04:19 PM

This is one of the best applications I have ever seen for the internet and I want it to stay.

I find it ironic that Pandora is at risk. I am a DJ, and I use Pandora on a daily basis to find new songs and artists whose tracks i then BUY (for legal tender even) from online music retailers, both in electronic form and plain old vinyl. Pandora has enabled me to purchase hundreds (jeez, probably thousands) of dollars worth of new music that I would not otherwise have discovered.

This is a legal gateway to legal music purchases that I make all the time, which of course, is EXACTLY WHAT RIAA wants.

I wonder how many artists support RIAA's tactics. I do not.

Posted by: Martin Wilson at March 16, 2007 04:45 PM

Been a member here for a while... and i know i might come off as an angry hippie kid by saying this, but the RIAA are a bunch of blind fascists for doing this. It's amazing how much a company can get away with nowadays. Emailing the petition page to all my friends now, this can't continue...

Posted by: Anton Z at March 16, 2007 05:19 PM

RIAA can go fuck themself

Posted by: RIAA BLOWS at March 16, 2007 06:07 PM

I'm living in new zealand now where the radio is crap and pandora is the only way to keep my sanity! I have purchased over 100 cds from the random songs that come up here...don't take it away!

Posted by: Marlowe at March 16, 2007 07:25 PM

Without RIAA artists/recordings Pandora can't exist? Ya right, drop them and move on.

Posted by: Richard Owen at March 16, 2007 08:41 PM

I hope something is done about this. I've found so much great music through pandora that I'm certain I would never have found if there were no pandora. I wish you all the best.

Posted by: Matthew at March 16, 2007 08:46 PM

WHen i saw the article on digg.com that you and other internet radio stations were gonna get hit with that RIAA bombshell, I freaked out. I dont care what the government and the record labels say, pandora is an AMAZINGLY fair way to let artists gain new fans. I've prolly bought over a hundred cds because of artist that i found using your program! theers no way that thats not a reasonable trade off for free music ( that you cant even fully control anyways and you cant take with you if you have an ipod... so your forced to buy the music if you wanna listen to it at your leasure...)

its hard for me to get my head around the fact that the station im listening to might not be there soon...

Posted by: DCsk8rgoelz at March 17, 2007 08:02 AM

Thanks again for all these great comments, and the wonderful support.

Couple quick comments. Regarding the idea of playing non-RIAA music, we'd still have to pay the rate as this ruling applies to a statutory agreement that covers ALL music. You are indeed pointing to an important role that Pandora and other internet radio sites play - promoting indie music. Approximately 70% of the songs played on Pandora come from albums whos sales rank is 10,000 or lower on Amazon. It's truly the deep indie stuff. I can't imagine there's a single one of these musicians who would support a ruling that shuts down internet radio.

We're definitely hoping to work with other radio companies collectively. In the end though, it's clear that our audience of listeners is the most important ally we have in this fight. Still trying to figure out just how to fight, but stay tuned...

Thanks again. Tim (Founder)

Posted by: Tim Westergren at March 17, 2007 10:48 PM

The RIAA ought to be paying Pandora to include their crap. Pandora is the best advertising medium that RIAA artist's can find. How else can new listeners hear what the RIAA artists are developing, since the RIAA has made it impossible for anyone to hear any new artists because of the restrictive policies they impose. Trying to squeeze the last 10% out of nothing still yields less than even 1% our of something. Monopolies always have a tough time realizing they've outlived their usefulness.

Posted by: PrahaPartizan at March 17, 2007 11:38 PM

When are those people gonna see that Pandora is the future

Posted by: Kevin at March 18, 2007 12:01 AM

I guess the big Q is, are the artists highlighted here, are they represented by (i.e., "signed") by companies that restrict the free distribution of their works?

Posted by: Sonny at March 18, 2007 01:10 AM

RIAA, I hope you morons crash and burn

Posted by: Alexander at March 18, 2007 10:25 AM

there are so many comments, i doubt anybody will read mine : (. It has come to the point where I dont even listen to the RIAA's justification or reasoning behind attacks. With its history of extortion and foul play I have lost all respect for them and I speak for many when I say I would be pleased to see them shut down.

Posted by: Charlie Canzano at March 18, 2007 10:40 AM

One good way is to settle an arrangement with the Record Labels by offering them free advertisement in exchange of a "non-legal action" agreement in order to mantain the status.
Good Luck!

Posted by: JGP (from Argentina) at March 18, 2007 06:21 PM

I love Pandora. I discovered it a few days ago and it's precious. Love the way you match stuff to listeners. And yes, Pandora gives you a taste of so many artists - you end up wanting to buy the ones you really enjoy.

Posted by: Lids at March 18, 2007 07:57 PM

NOoo, no canceling of such an awesome site!!! NO way man!!

Posted by: Donna Becerra at March 18, 2007 11:49 PM

Mark E,

Regarding the out-of-country listeners,

Comments at this blog are moderated. If anyone at Pandora had a problem with the truth (that there are millions of non-US listeners who love Pandora and some write their support in this thread), would they not block those comments, including this comment?

I LOVE PANDORA

Best wishes,
Denmark

Posted by: Thomas at March 19, 2007 04:00 AM

Tim will be reappearing on The Awful Show this coming Friday, March 23 to talk about everything going on with Pandora.

We look forward to talking with you again Tim!

Posted by: Tha Mike at March 19, 2007 08:27 AM

I've only listened in a couple of times, but I did enjoy those experiences. The RIAA needs to keep its hands in its own cookie jar and quit reaching for every other one it can see.

Posted by: Virgil at March 19, 2007 08:36 AM

All of these testimonials about how Pandora is helping you find new artists are terrific. This is exactly what the folks behind this decision need to see. Radio has always been the most powerful source of promotion - and seeing such overwhelming evidence is really important. We're going to figure out how to make sure this data finds its way into the right hands.

Thanks again, everyone. Cheers Tim (Founder)

Posted by: Tim Westergren at March 19, 2007 09:09 AM

Screw the RIAA!

These guys have lost there minds. Pandora is a cool service and this just one more way they found to screw people. I hope you guys can get by this somehow. Eventually the RIAA will destroy there own business by making greed a higher priority than common sense. We should stop supporting there members, stop buying products the they benefit from. Every time they want more $$$ are they just going to cry to congress and get the laws changed? Since I think I'm paying too much in tax can I go to congress and get them to fix it for me?

This is BS pure and simple.

Fight the power!

Posted by: sdirge at March 19, 2007 09:49 AM

My friend brought this terrible news to my attention, last night. First off, let me thank you for all the hours of listening pleasure you've supplied for me. Secondly, I will take action with the petition, and any other outlet to stop this from taking place.

Please keep us abreast with all the new happenings in this unfortunate situation.

Respectfully,
Jeff
San Diego

Posted by: Lord Lumen at March 20, 2007 01:28 PM

question: how long will it be until Pandora will shut down, presuming that we lose the appeal?

Posted by: r0ssar00 at March 20, 2007 02:32 PM

Want to help pandora? Click on ads.... pretty simple, but increasing their clickthrough rate will help them sell ads, which helps them make money. I try to click at least 5 a day.

Posted by: Scott at March 20, 2007 08:58 PM

Hey, you should team up with the NPR folks:

http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070320-npr-fights-back-seeks-rehearing-on-internet-radio-royalty-increases.html

go!

Posted by: Andrew Wooldridge at March 21, 2007 10:42 AM

This is ridiculous. I wish people would stop taking the good out of the Internet. Just leave the Internet alone!

I already signed the petition because another online radio station I listen to had banners plastered all over.

Work in the office is going to be a lot more lonely if they take our music away :(

Posted by: Wendy Wayrad at March 23, 2007 03:28 AM

Every 5-10 mins. i have to restart pandora whats up with that? it pisses me off b/c its always saying "its taking longer than usual to do something go to another station" then that one doesn't work

Posted by: JESS at March 23, 2007 07:06 AM

I would recommend that you stop playing music from riaa labels. If they are going to attempt to prevent the internet from becoming a viable platform for listening to and discovering new music then don't include any of their artists in Pandora. Still allow people to create stations based on riaa label music, but just don't ever have this music play. my 2 cents.

Posted by: gabe at March 23, 2007 08:06 PM

quit bitching about pandora, its not pandoras fault, its ur internet connection, bitch to your isp

Posted by: r0ssar00 at March 24, 2007 06:11 AM

i just started on pandora about a month ago but i just signed the petition and sent it to a friend of mine and told him he had to sign the petition and to check out pandora and to forward the email to everyone he knows and makes sure they do the same cause i really like this website ive learned of so many new bands and i love learning about new bands. and the thing is when i learn of a new band theres the possibility that im going to buy the cd of that band so if its looking that its going to stop pandora and other internet raido station websites thats just dumb on there part!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: charlie at March 24, 2007 04:11 PM

The RIAA doesn't care about the profits they get from internet radio, they are far more concerned with physical copies. this is thus likely why they hiked it this high- I doubt they had no idea it could do this, I mean if they didn't they'll lower the royalties real quick after half the stations can't play their music. at the very least they've hastened their [RIAA] demise. here's to Indie music and Pandora fighting the good fight- cheers

-PS I signed the petition too :)

Posted by: mike at March 24, 2007 09:33 PM

Hi Tim, and thank you for all your work. What a great site and idea that Pandora and the Genome Music Project is/are.

PLEEEASE - If the words of the protesters of the copyright ruling go unheard and you are forced to shut down - before you do, please consider hosting your services on Canadian soil!

RIAA has no clout here, in fact the CRIA (Canadian branch of the RIAA), has lost every legal challenge ever placed before consumers and businesses.

And the fact that Canada already has a trade-agreement with the US, the US can't muscle Canada into adopting the US copyright model, like they did with Australia.

Posted by: SmartITGuy at March 26, 2007 08:19 AM

Everyone is touting writing their congress people...and to some this may seem like the only way to get this turned around. I would like to point out one thing folks...

The CRB (Copyright Royalty Board) is an office of, and run by...The Librarian Of Congress!

Do you really think their going to look out for your interests here? I would like to offer a counter proposal. We are starting a movement to go after the True Perpetrators of this decision, the RIAA's Gestapo tactics, the use of the legal complexities and inequities to aid in the destruction of an entire small business segment...the only people who would truly benefit from destroying Internet Radio...The Labels!

The "Don't Buy Into It" campaign is working to become the "Ultimate Act of Civil Disobedience" By getting Americans to do the one thing that will really get the Labels, CRB's, RIAA's and even the Governments attention...NOT SPENDING OUR MONEY ON THE LABELS CRAP for 6 months!

We can do this...if we DJ's, Netcasters, Listeners can pull together to get the word out...From October 1st 2007 to March 1st, 2008...during the biggest sales time of the year...We Dont Buy Anything The Labels Put out! We can go for 6 months without buying their crap...they CANT go for 6 months without us buying their crap! It will be an undertaking as massive in scale as it sounds...we need to get the word out to at least 100 million americans, or more...we need to get the word out to our worldwide audiences! Imagine the possibilities...

More information can be found at http://www.madchatter.net help us to inform everyone with the truly most effective tool we have...our money! By keeping it...we send the most powerful message there is...Dont Mess With Us! We are the People! We have the Power! Dont take away our freedom of choice!

DON'T BUY INTO IT!

Posted by: MADcHATTER at April 1, 2007 09:05 AM

I pray web radio is saved, especially for the people like me who aren't able to get out of house very much, I've been listening to web radio for years now and when I first found out that there was this serious problem going on, its sad to know web radio maybe in jeopardy, I only found out about Pandora about 2 or more years ago and since then I've listened to Pandora the most, because Tim and his staff really have been working hard at their jobs and my theory is that everybody would have to realize how much time the artists and different workers (DJs) who help put the music on the radio for all to listen to whatever the people want to listen to is very important not just for the people who enjoy listening to web radio but I think its also important to help the people who bring the music to the radio keep their jobs. thanks. P.S. I wish and pray for everyone involved get something worked out

Posted by: aaron at April 2, 2007 07:43 PM

I was stumbling on firefox last night and found Pandora. It is amazing! I typed in my favorite artist and was able to discover twelve more great bands within an hour of listening. I love the links to iTunes and Amazon. I also love the ability to skip a track if it isn't something I like.

I just wanted to thank you for such a great program. I'll be telling my friends about it. Keep up the god fight!

Posted by: Brandon at April 2, 2007 10:48 PM

the jerks and their lawyers have no idea how much they have shot themselves in the foot. i've legally paid for thousands of dollars worth of music from iTunes, money i would not have spent if i had'nt found new artist and new material by listening to pandora. i've called and complianed to my congressman, i've signed your petition, and if there is anything else i can do do to keep this fine idea alive i'm more than willing. keep up the good fight. i'm in with you for the long haul. thanks!

Posted by: Head Lightner at April 4, 2007 04:46 AM

I am so glad I stumbled up on Pandora! I love the way they take your favorites and play songs similar to them. Am I the only one who likes these oddball songs?

Posted by: Sherry Bass at April 4, 2007 12:36 PM

I can't believe I just found this wonderful resource on my MSN site!!! It is the best gift of music. I have even put off buying an MP3 player as Pandora is so easy to use and meets my needs. Thank you so much. My only suggestion is for more World Music, especially from some great latin music bands I heard in Central America this winter. I am thinking of one band called Malpais.

Posted by: Andi at April 4, 2007 04:03 PM

Seems like every time you think the RIAA has crawled back into it's hole it has popped out again!

Posted by: Will at April 17, 2007 09:40 PM

i hate pandora a lot just because its sooo slow you listen to a song and its running sooo slow that cant be then all of us will hate pandora and it lets your computer slow a lot when your in pandora

Posted by: sameer at April 18, 2007 12:39 PM

I just found Pandora, but have been a loyal, paying launch.yahoo.com listener for years. The unfortunate reality is that net radio may have to become a relatively expensive paid service to survive. No more streaming utopia, however, I don't think it's a death knell.

I think I pay 35 per year for Launch while it could easily worth 10 times that with very few changes. Simple truth is, I don't have, or need, an extensive mp3 collection, because I have my own personal radio station that is *better* than any mp3 collection I could ever assemble. Why is it better? Because I don't have to build the playlist. Launch also comes up with stuff that I would a) never have heard otherwise or b) have long forgotten about. I also find it very satisfying to block crap I don't want to ever hear again. You can't find that deal on any other radio format. The mix I've assembled is like none other on Earth. How much is that worth!?!? To me, more than $35 per year, and I'm sure others will agree.

Sorry, I don't mean to tout a competing product on Pandora, I'm sure Pandora is every bit as cool, if not cooler than Launch. I'm just more familiar with Launch.

I said earlier minor changes are necessary. Really, it's just one. I need to be able to stream my net radio to my mobile device. I can hear Verizon and Sprint shudder now, but that's what I want - my net radio station everywhere. I've seen it done with Sirius, so I know the technology exists. If Sling can bring my hdtv to my phone, someone can bring my net radio station.

As for monitization, lets throw around some numbers. If I read this thing right, it will cost a provider $500 to start a new radio station. Since every customer essentially creates his or her own station, that's the first $21 per month off the top on a 2 year contract. Add $9 per month at the .0019 per track rate for 2010 gives the customer 4737 tracks over the course of the month. Figure a conservative 3 minutes per track and you're at 8 hours of music per day for 29.5 days. That takes care of the label, but how do you keep the lights on and the bandwidth paid for? Sell stuff. Sell songs. Sell t-shirts. Sell concert tickets. Sell fanclubs. Sell advertising. All the radio station does is bring to your portal the masses of faithful listeners - and it keeps them coming back.

The game will have to change in a big way. The free ride may be over, but, the future of net radio as a paid service should be bright.

Posted by: John at April 26, 2007 10:38 PM

For the record, I did sign the petition. This was the reply from my Senator.


Thank you for taking the time to contact me regarding royalty increases for Internet radio stations. I appreciate hearing from you. On March 6, 2007, the Copyright Royalty Board publicly decided to replace the revenue-based method of royalty payment with a per performance, per listener scale for commercial stations. The fee to stream one song to one listener is $.0008 in 2006 and gradually increases to $.0019 in 2010. Stations operated by tax-exempt, non-profit organizations would be charged a minimum of $500 per year for a certain number of listening hours.

You may be interested to know that on March 7, 2007, the House Energy and Commerce Subcommittee on Technology and the Internet held a hearing entitled "The Digital Future of the United States: Part II - The Future of Radio." You may view a webcast of the hearing on the committee's website at . I hope you find the hearing interesting, and should legislation on Internet radio royalties be brought before the Senate for a vote, I will be sure to keep your thoughts in mind.

Thanks again for contacting me. I hope you hear from you in the future on this or any other issue of concern to you.

Sincerely,
Russell D. Feingold
United States Senator

Posted by: John at April 26, 2007 10:41 PM

This website and all others like it are a blessing to those who have nothing else to cling to but music. Leave it to the RIAA to plot against the people and their passion. Pandora Forever

Posted by: Zeroe G at April 29, 2007 09:19 PM

Tim-

Great job on the site...I know my friends and I listen to it all the time. I especially love how I can put one RARE song and still get a whole bunch of common music which I've never heard of. The RIAA should realize this a great way to help discover unknown artists.

Anyway, keep fighting the good fight!

Posted by: Scott Patterson at April 30, 2007 07:56 PM

I said earlier minor changes are necessary. Really, it's just one. I need to be able to stream my net radio to my mobile device. I can hear Verizon and Sprint shudder now, but that's what I want - my net radio station everywhere. I've seen it done with Sirius, so I know the technology exists. If Sling can bring my hdtv to my phone, someone can bring my net radio station.

Posted by: country music at May 3, 2007 11:05 AM

I've been listening to Pandora for a few months, and sadly the other day I received an email stating that since I'm not from the US, I won't be able to access Pandora radio anymore. I could not believe what I was reading, but it was so true, when I tried to access the web page to Pandora Radio, I could not. It stated that my IP address was from Peru (South America), and then a text explained to me all the legal issues surrounding this entire tragic situation. I never -not even in my wildest dream - thought this could happen. In a way I feel discriminated for not being an American Citizen (and I know that is not probably the case but I just can’t help it).

What has just occurred (blocking overseas listeners) is awful and I can’t describe the terrible feeling I have right now; but I also know that is not the fault of Pandora Radio; is the fault of those foul-smelling politicians, sadly they exist all over the world and in most of the cases they are useless. This is specially bad news for me because in South America people have some very different taste in music, and Pandora was a way for me to listen to some really good bands that I Would of never had the chance to listen to other wise. I doubt that I will ever be able to listen to Pandora radio again, mostly because of the licensing. In many foreign countries the politics and the reality is very different from that of the USA, there for our representatives will never be able to understand these sort of things and international label companies don’t have any representation in the most part in our countries, except probably Mexico, because is closer to the US.

Knowing that I will not longer enjoy music through your service Pandora, makes me really furious; but I now there’s not much I can do since I’m a foreigner. I just wanted to thank you for the good times and sounds you have provided me with over the last couple of months. Thank you.

Posted by: alvaro at May 6, 2007 05:29 PM

Any updates?

Posted by: Alpharetta Homes at May 10, 2007 12:34 PM

Pandora gave me a piece of home. I am not able to receive the music that i grew up with through any other media channel. It is sad to see unfair rulings take away which i once hailed as amazing and simply invogorating

Posted by: ramiro castaneda at May 15, 2007 01:07 PM

Inferno! luogo grande per sicuro!

Posted by: comunione at May 25, 2007 08:20 PM

That is unfortunate. I loved pandora and used it often. What a shame. :( Sorry guys.

Posted by: Freelance Website Design at June 11, 2007 08:45 AM

People shouldn't put songs up on public sites unless money goes to the musicians or other legal rights' holders.

Unless the musicians agree. I applaud the decision.

Posted by: Gene at September 21, 2007 02:55 PM

Their getting money either way mr."freelance website design." The ammount of advertising hat comes from pandora for the bands is massive. If pandora wa to be taken down, all that advertisement would go away and they would lose thousands in CD sales.

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