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September 05, 2006

Flashify.. and Wikifi!! Blacksburg Town Hall

Well that just about sums it up. Thanks to everyone who showed up this evening for the Virginia Tech get together. Great lively discussion. Lots of very interesting thoughts and questions from about 150 students and Blacksburg locals in attendance. I was particularly struck by the interest in use of audience members to work on the genome. 'Flashify' the training and data input process to select the best analysts, and 'wiki-fy' the collection of musical information. There is certainly a strong current of enthusiasm for that approach - of which our process is most definitely not an example. It's a conversation I'm looking forward to continuing in the years ahead.

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Tonight's event has me particularly excited about the upcoming college visits we have planned.

Sorry for those who didn't get hats/shirts - drop me a note and I'll make sure you get one. Also let me know if you have blogs/photos we should link to.

cheers to everyone. Tim (Founder)

Posted by Tim Westergren at September 5, 2006 08:36 PM

Comments

Please caontact me regarding this asome opportunity.

Posted by: Don Tietig at September 5, 2006 09:35 PM

Excellent talk Tim!

Thanks for being down to earth and going the extra mile. Students had some great ideas and I see nothing but more success coming out of the Music Genome Project.

Please keep it real and don't sell out to the big guys! Keep up the good work and thanks for putting VT on your list of colleges to visit... We enjoyed your stay and wish you luck!

Posted by: Michael Rihani at September 5, 2006 10:09 PM

Thanks for the great talk, Tim. I agree that the wikification could help the community side of the process. The most enticing topic of the night, which I discussed here ( http://thomas.fiveuptons.com/blog/?p=87 ), is showing the user the musical profile that has been created by the system based on his ratings and types of stations. The ability to tweak those opinions is intrinsic to this feature being awesome.

Posted by: Thomas Upton at September 6, 2006 06:37 AM

Thank you friends!!!For music!!!For grate american project PANDORA!!!

Posted by: sergey at September 7, 2006 03:04 AM

Hello friends!!I am from RUSSIA!!You are my best friends!!

Posted by: sergey at September 7, 2006 03:12 AM

You make this middle-aged woman ridiculously happy with the perfect mix of the familiar and the strange. And if the music even begins to veer in a direction that doesn't delight me, a little nudge from me (and an apology from you), sets you back on track again.

I know there aren't little people in my computer taking care of me, but thanks to all the people at Pandora who make this thing work like magic!

Posted by: susan bono at September 7, 2006 11:08 PM

Have you decided on putting any of the Rock Star SuperNova rockers on? You should still consider Tulsa, OK on your tour. Cap and T would be great if you could arrange it.
Keep up the really great work!

Posted by: Tom Allen at September 8, 2006 11:46 AM

I truly enjoy the Pandora program!

If you are near Williamsburg through the month of october, there are going to be a lot of bands playing at Busch Gardens. They are usually pretty decent.

Posted by: Josh at September 8, 2006 04:12 PM

How can I start to tell all of you reading this how beautiful and precious this gift of music really is? I am an older man, who remembers having to hear Jimi Hendrix to Cat Stevens to John Coltrane to Bob Dylan to Johnny Mayall to Aretha Franklin over a home made radio that had a single ear piece for one ear when I was just learning about music as a pre-teen in the 60's.

Listen to all that can be heard here. What a great project this is! Don't leave anything absent in your musical experience. Try to find artist that you never heard of and listen on!

Posted by: RJP at September 8, 2006 06:25 PM

Sometimes your music is kicking so please fix that becuase I love your music so much and it makes me happy.
Thanx 4rm Solulo.

Posted by: Solulo at September 9, 2006 01:29 AM

Have you ever considered providing code so that people could blog their favorite channels? It doesn't seem that this would be too difficult, and it would certainly give pandora much more exposure.

Posted by: jscottkill at September 9, 2006 09:24 AM

Hey guys, it's probably been mentioned but have you considered adding a feature that would take the artists/albums that you gave a thumbs up to while playing, and save them all to a word or text file so you could use it to find the music at a store later?

Posted by: Chris at September 9, 2006 12:45 PM

Just wanted to say that this is a SUPERB site. I've been searching the internet fot 15 years. I can stop now. Sit down and have a cup of coffee. Long may you rule.

Posted by: TOM FINNERTY at September 10, 2006 07:32 AM

Are you considering coming overseas?

Posted by: Alex Pullin at September 10, 2006 12:29 PM

Great thing you guys have going.
I was wondering if there is some way to specify that you only want instrumental music. I know I can pick artists that usually only play instrumental, but is there some way to have just that? Keep up the Great Work!

Posted by: Leiby at September 10, 2006 04:44 PM

Hey all. just wanted to say, the way Pandora works is pretty cool. One thing I hope to see is more internationsl veriety. My intrests are some what exotic. ALL in All very impressed.

Posted by: John at September 10, 2006 05:15 PM

Tim
WOW!!!!!!!! I can't believe how SUPERB this music sounds. You have a customer for life!! Spent 30 years travelling the world in the Navy and without a doubt Pandora music wins hands down. The technology for this streaming music is wonderful. Can I take you up on offer for t-shirt size XXL and hat? Thanks. M C Carr 1281 SE Sandpiper Ln Stuart FL 34996

Posted by: Michael C Carr at September 10, 2006 08:59 PM

Pandora rocks! i get a bit of the familiar with a bit of the new at work via web browser and at home via Squeezebox. I think i'm more up to date with music now than i ever have been.

Posted by: Visualkev at September 11, 2006 10:30 AM

I have to agree, this is a great site. I heard it from a guy talking about something called Pandora, the cool, free, online radio site. He did a whole tour of the features too, creating a Coldplay radio station for the whole room to sample. Thank you for your effort in making my music experience so much the better!

From a very grateful Hokie----

Posted by: ema at September 11, 2006 04:14 PM

Hi guys,

Pandora is going to rock this world.

The wiki idea sounds fine, needs some thinking tho...

Please pass a message to your developers to consider adding Station Cycling in as a feature. If such a feature already exists, please us know ;-)

Listeners often create stations based on their different music tastes. It's possible that many people take their headsets off when they get bored, annoyed or just a little disinterested - perhaps subconsciously - with the same style of music. The very purpose of Pandora / Genome may be only keep listeners listening for a short time. To counter this add a function to the player to cycle a selection of stations. The player can then play one or more songs (user variable) from each selected station. I, for one, will find this very useful.

Perhaps it's too expensive to reload the station profiles...

Also, come to think of it, artists haven't really been analyzed so “publicly”. Don't you think music artists will find their listener profile very interesting? What do our fans like to listen to, for example? How old are they? What 'sound' is selling us atm? In which direction should our next album go? Just imagine where you can go with this information... service? ;-)

Either way, keep on rocking!

La'er
Jaco

Posted by: JVN at September 11, 2006 04:29 PM

Looks great. It always amazes me how Oklahoma doesn't make the cut for things like this.

Posted by: jwc at September 12, 2006 11:15 AM

Hi , its sounds like you guys are having a blast !! , Rebecca

Posted by: Rebecca at September 12, 2006 10:45 PM

Incredible! Pandora is one of those innovations that brings the world to our doorstep through the power of collaboration. I consider this project a part of what we at www.thinking-forward.com would love to bring to our clients as a part of the process for vision and innovation. Well done!

Posted by: joe bruzzese at September 12, 2006 10:57 PM

Im not really tech savy. but i wish i didnt have to use a us # when can you bring this amazing site world wide??

Posted by: Brian at September 13, 2006 05:29 AM

Great job Tim! I would love to learn more about this!

Posted by: Lisa at September 13, 2006 05:18 PM

pandora is by far and away the best website on the net..its amazing the music genome project is a credit to whoever is involved..it has made music so much easier to access and easier to enjoy the layout is amazing and the information and information surrounding the bands is outstanding!i would like to thank u personally for putting in so much work i just wanted to say that i didnt know where else to leave a comment so i said i would leave here!thank you talk ta ya soon...

Posted by: jason at September 13, 2006 07:46 PM

Come to Madison, WI!!!!! Please!!!!!

Posted by: Kelley at September 14, 2006 12:41 PM

If you are driving down I-70, then why aren't you stopping anywhere before you get to Boulder?

Boulder, you might know, is not the be all end all of university towns, especially not on I-70. May I suggest University of Missouri, University of Kansas, Kansas State University, St. Louis University, Washington University, the list goes on and on and on.

Travelling straight through from Indy to Boulder is like travelling straight through from Paris to Moscow. I'm pretty sure there are plenty of places to see in between.

Posted by: Dirk at September 14, 2006 01:58 PM

Good stuff! If you get a chance, try coming down to New Zealand - we have a great ska/dub scene, as well as a close knit community of local bands here in Auckland.

Posted by: Christian at September 14, 2006 04:27 PM

Drop in Oklahoma if you can make the time.

Posted by: Dylan Davis at September 14, 2006 04:33 PM

Count me in as another old-timer who's excited to have found Pandora! I'm exploring the world of jazz and I go home and go on and on to my family about the new artists I'm discovering. This feels like when I was a teenager when I would listen to bebop and scat on the radio at 2 a.m. because that's when we got a clear signal from Chicago (I lived in Milwaukee).

Since I've only discovered this site recently after reading about it on a list I'm on, I missed out when you visited Seattle in May. I hope you make it back here soon.

I also want to chime in on two ideas I'm seeing here. The first one I agree with is the ability to add songs/artists to a text file so you can take it with you to a store is a good idea. Although I'm building a lengthy page of favorites, it would be nice to be able to sort the list.

The second one is the multiple radio list so that you can select a few lists that alternate every hour or so.

Although, I will say that I've noticed that to some extent, there is some of that happening already. I don't know if this is random or programmed in, but I've noticed that there is a tendency to change pace every so often. So that a few soft or slow songs are followed by more energetic songs. Or there will be a few songs in a row that follow a certain style, or perhaps, it is following one of its attribute settings. For example, there may be a few in a row that have more of a latin rhythm, then an attribute from the last song, like a sax, will be picked up for a few songs. You can usually hear which attribute is being followed across a line of songs.

So this brings me to something I've wondered about--what if you were allowed to select attributes that you like in the song so you could set up a line of songs with specific characteristics? Not that I don't like random, because I do. But there are certain songs that I like because of a specific thing in that song and I've wondered if it would be possible to create a line for that particular thing.

For example, if I like the sitar in a Beatle's song, could I select that attribute and listen to other songs that use a similar effect? I mean, I have been setting up stations for specific songs that I like, but a song can have so many attributes that the line may not pick up on what I'm looking for. Also, someone else mentioned that you can select songs that you don't like and it refines the station. The problem is that sometimes I'm selecting likes and don't likes and then the music goes off into a different direction that I don't like and I wish I could go back to a line of songs that I was really enjoying and make it go more in that direction of attributes, but I don't know how to do that.

I hope I don't sound like too much of a control freak. I'm just really picky about what I listen to and before Pandora, I didn't have the time or resources to go through a bunch of music to figure out what I like.

Posted by: Diane at September 14, 2006 04:44 PM

I think pandora has a huge potential to become a starting point for indie artists.
People who make music on their computers should be able to submit it to pandora, along with the arrangment, etc and all the info required for classifying their song WITHOUT having a label OR a UPC or having to physically send in a CD.

Combining this with a wiki system would be AMAZING! As well, as making the MGP easy to view, it would be more "democratic"

Posted by: inund8 at September 14, 2006 06:38 PM

Please, please, please come to CANADA! We're so close and it would be great to get some more CanContent on your station. I'm from Toronto and we have some great artists here, but Montreal is also a great nesting ground for some interesting and unique independent bands that would be perfect to add to your musical database. Keep it up, it's a great concept. And come to CANADA!

Posted by: Meghan Roberts at September 14, 2006 09:01 PM

Dude, imagine everyone walking on the streets of a major metroplitan area listening to pandora, from a device like a walkman...It can happen fast, just...

tweak Pandora to play on a pocketpc smartphone...

I think you maybe able to do this with the latest flash for pocketpc here:
http://www.adobe.com/products/flashplayer_pocketpc/

You guys have a seriously awesome oppertunity, dont let it slip by!

Posted by: Anthony Loera at September 15, 2006 07:30 AM

PLEASE COME TO CANADA!!!

Posted by: Wakachan at September 15, 2006 08:19 AM

Is there any way we can merge radio stations we've created?

Posted by: Empress at September 15, 2006 09:10 AM

This site rules. I love that it never stops playing. You do need to get a couple of songs like ( let your chain hang low ) by:Jibbs

Posted by: Tony Sansone at September 25, 2006 03:14 PM

Hey guys, thanks for your endeavours. It is very interesting to see what actually comes up in the related fields. The system seems to be fairly spot on, although some tracks come on that realy diverge from the original artist. A possible listener option might be to say: never play salsa, or, never play anything with shrill horn section, or, please never put any songs by celine dion or Dave Mathews! That would nip it in the bud for some of us.
Thanks again for your great idea. It's fun to explore. I find myself crossing the house from the kitchen to see what is playing or to click the thumbs up and down. Gus

Posted by: Gustavo Escobedo at September 25, 2006 05:22 PM

Instead of listening to the radio too find other songs that you want you should let your viewers view a list of what they may want. This way viewers can find a whole lsit of songs that they like in a matter of minutes instead of 6 songs per half an hour.

Posted by: Annoymous at September 26, 2006 11:33 AM

Hi there!

I´m Carlos from Venezuela. I´m a music adicct and adicted to your radio, listening to every rythm you play... Here, I know many different bands from chill out to hard rock or metal, wich can be so good to you out there, so if maybe I could help on that it would just be a plesure. Maybe as music lerners, you have known about a great venezuelan man called Simón Díaz; author of the Caballo Viejo famous song. Here, in Venezuela, he´s one of the popular singers for venezuelan folklore, so, some young musicians following the new era of chill out music, have made a great work combining a sequence of elements including sampling, harmony, and the national instruments: cuatro, arpa and maracas, calling the attention of many music lovers...

Anytime you need to talk about it, or get to know more about the music escene in this country, feel free to make a phone call to:
+58 0412 6177935
+58 0212 5763214
(english/spanish/french/portuguese spoken)

Posted by: Carlos at September 27, 2006 07:19 AM

I love Pandora! I'm in a jazz band that does covers, and I'm always looking for new stuff. I've found so much! I've rediscovered some old faves, and made some new discoveries.

One thing I would love Pandora to have is a random option. I created a station using many different artists (Joss Stone, Elvis Costello, Bonnie Raitt, BareNaked Ladies, The Jayhawks) hoping that would create what I was looking for...but what seems to be happening is that songs that are similar to Artist A play for about 30 min, then Artist B starts up for the next 30 min, and so on. I would love it if I had the option to make the mix more random!

And I love the previous suggestions to be able to print out the list of songs I liked.

Overall, this site is amazing. I'm really looking forward to see what you guys come up with next.

Katie
Sacramento, CA

Posted by: Katie at September 27, 2006 02:51 PM

I just wanted to thank you for pandora.It's what makes the internet enjoyable,having sites like this.I've found songs that I haven't heard in years.I feel like a kid in a candy store.
Peace ,
Ron studley

Posted by: Ron Studley at September 29, 2006 01:28 PM

What a thrilling, unpredictable outpouring each visit to Pandora has been. Thank you. This is lengendary work you are doing.

Posted by: Xi Xiao at September 30, 2006 03:48 AM

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