Blog: Pandora 2.1

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February 02, 2006

Pandora 2.1

We've just launched the latest update to Pandora. While we're constantly making little tweaks and improvements here and there, tonight's update was a big one and I'm devoting five posts to covering the details. Click through to read all the details on what we're launching today:

New Favorites and Sharing Features
Pandora RSS Feeds (Beta)
Fit, Finish and Polish
Keyboard Control
Pandora for Your Site

We're very excited to have released the latest version of Pandora for all of you to play with. We'd love to know what you think -- leave a comment here or drop us an email at pandora-support@pandora.com. We read everything.

As always, enjoy the music!

Posted by Tom Conrad at February 2, 2006 03:17 AM

Comments

Looking forward to playing with the new features.

I would recommend making your feeds and controls usable by "Javascript blackbox engines" (aka AJAX in Firefox) ....

Your Flash player is f'ing awesome ... as long as I can feeds and other (all) account stats through a web interface.

I'd also love to see more clearly how I might be able to play my music at work and have people within my vicinity choose yeah/nay. How many people are listening at the moment? (on a large scale this is bad because you get a "top 40 cesspool" but for multiple small groups this is going to be great.

Thanks and keep up the good work.

Posted by: Scott Fitchet at February 2, 2006 06:56 AM

It's just. . . beautiful... i think I may just cry. And it seems to run faster, no where near as much pasuing and rebuffering, etc. . on slightly slower broadband connections. . . In fact, I have had NO bumps in the road.

Posted by: Two Feodras at February 2, 2006 06:56 AM

Wow!!! The update looks great.

Thanks for all your work. :)

Posted by: Steve at February 2, 2006 07:31 AM

The RSS feed on the Favorites page is excellent.

We are using it to pull directly into our Blog at CybersMusic (http://www.cybersmusic.com) to show our Favorite tunes. Letting people be able to see the cover art and listen to a sample is outstanding options.

Thanks !

Posted by: CyberCoder at February 2, 2006 08:21 AM

After seeing or hearing of friends and family use Pandora, I just started: Beautiful, simple and very functional interface, and a great service, including the link to purchase options. My congratulations!
---pkh

Posted by: pkh at February 2, 2006 11:05 AM

I love you guys. Yes I'm in love with you. I'm a geek, this is heaven, you are god.

Posted by: Sushanth at February 2, 2006 11:47 AM

Oh! This is soo sweet...damn..nice update! Love it!

Posted by: Stephan Krause at February 2, 2006 02:44 PM

Cool new stuff, guys. Lots of things to play with... 8-)

One question: how can someone propose artists or CDs fot you guys to 'Pandorize'? I'd love to suggest some spanish music other than Julio Iglesias... ;-)

Posted by: Jope at February 2, 2006 03:10 PM

Great!! You can also make some roll in javascript from favorite songs. would be nice...

and thinking about it, I would also like to see more "technical" info about songs under why are you playing this song, if its possible

Posted by: Tristan at February 2, 2006 04:29 PM

Guys, simply amazing! This is perfect for those of us who love a style but can't find those hidden gems from artists not typical to the genre. A sweet, sweet program guys. Keep up the good work.

Posted by: Swish at February 2, 2006 07:25 PM

I cannot give enough praise to this little program. I usually have a very hard time finding songs I like, but this program makes it almost too easy to find new songs that I enjoy.

Thanks for all your work and for making such a neat program. I've already got a few of my friends using it.

Posted by: Austin at February 2, 2006 07:51 PM

This is amazing...It is so smooth and fast, and I can listen to all types of music I like mixed together..keep up the good work, and thankyou very much.

Posted by: Matt at February 2, 2006 10:49 PM

A friend just directed me here... This is freaking amazing! What kinda life have I been leading without this?!
Keep up the good job, go team!

Posted by: Jack at February 3, 2006 05:27 AM

Pandora is the sh!t. An unbelieveable music library, I'm blowing my paychecks before I get them just so I can own all the stuff you're introducing me to.

Now, when's that Pandora Widget for Mac OS coming?

Posted by: Chris at February 3, 2006 06:29 AM

Loving this so far

Posted by: Danielle at February 3, 2006 09:38 AM

Pandora is one of the coolest things that i have come across recently. great work, and i can't believe how smoothly this high quality music streams!

Posted by: rushi at February 3, 2006 01:12 PM

Honestly, Pandora is simply great. all the music, all the diversity, all the little details. i love the technical informations about the reasons, why you play this song.

this is so good!

And the new version: halo-effects everywhere. makes it look even more smoove..

keep it up!

Posted by: Phil at February 3, 2006 02:15 PM

Since I can't find a single email or comment link anywhere on your website:

I just wanted to say that this site is a JOKE. Completely ignoring over 500 years of this planets musical development is absolutely absurd. Very little "music" has been produced in the last 100 years that is even remotely tollerable, and that seems to be the only garbage you carry on this service. I hope you people get your act together otherwise you will succeed at being nothing more than a typical industry-driven entertainment outlet for pop stars. It's rather sickening--this site has nothing to do with music. You can't have any of this other modern crap without the genre you so dismissingly call "classical", it should be the very first thing to go into any so-called genome database like this, since if there are any musical "genes," this is where they ALL come from. It's really just shameful.

Posted by: Ryan Hayle at February 3, 2006 03:36 PM

Ryan, as lacking in courtesy as pandora is in classical, you have an interesting take on music. However, while classical may be the roots of all current music, it is unfortunately lacking in dedicated listeners among people who might use this website. I'm sure that a classical music genome engine would be a very educational project, but it would also be left without a leg to stand on financially.

I will take issue, however, with your insulting use of "industry-driven entertainment outlet for pop stars" for the simple reason that this is one thing Pandora is NOT. The music industry carefully picks and chooses which songs and even which artists will be heard on the radio, and uses this as a way to manipulate the artists and contracts, often having nothing to do with the actual quality of the artists' music. Pandora, on the other hand, is chock full of artists that get NO publicity, NO radio-time, the artists that the music industry ignores.

Furthermore, relegating all the music on Pandora to 'modern crap' and 'pop' broadcasts as much ignorance of music as would someone claiming that "all classical music is the same" - both are rediculous claims. Just as many people should extend their musical tastes to find out more about "that classical stuff" I recommend that you open your mind up a bit and find out a bit more about that "modern crap" before judging.

Posted by: Knight at February 3, 2006 04:33 PM

"I recommend that you open your mind up a bit and find out a bit more about that "modern crap" before judging"

Well said. Finding songs in common here is like finding friends in common. Paths cross in interesting ways in real life as do the creativity of artists and musicians. Thanks for such a first rate service and project which, though small in content (not many pages to navigate through) somehow the personality of the Pandora folks comes through loud and clear. Not only do you all seem dedicated to the purpose of simply enlightening listeners to new music, but you seem like a nice bunch as well. Cheers!

And hey, my "Can" mix is now playing "The Small Faces"... who would've guessed that one!

A newly excited fan...
Jason

Posted by: Jason Thompson at February 3, 2006 09:03 PM

Just disc-overed Pandora last week, congrats on the new feature set deliviered 6 hrs ago. Apple's the main sponsor, cudos to Mr. Jobs for realising knowledge is powerful, more so than over control.

As a search engine, this approach beats all.

Posted by: mik at February 3, 2006 09:22 PM

It's funny....I'm a huge classical listener. I listen to soundtracks a lot too, and enjoy "modern crap" even though I don't buy it unless it's on a soundtrack (be it from a movie, game, whatever)...that said, I think the website is one of the most brilliant ideas I've ever come across.

I think if you just think about it for a second, and look at the way the site works, you'd see why there's so little classical -- how would you do it? With the hundreds of recordings of, say, Moonlight Sonata do you just put in one? How do you even COMPARE the genomes, as it were? Sure a lot of them apply, but they are too broad for the detail than a classical piece normall has, and thus it really wouldn't be much help at all.

This doesn't even take into account that there are SOOO many CDs out ther edevoted to classical. There's a HUGE amount higher comparitively than the listener base (classical buyers tend to buy a lot more than the average person). How much 'should' they devote in the database? If they just put in the basics, there's not much help in reguards to what the site is all about -- discovering new music. And if they try to expand to all reaches of it (how many have heard of, say, Hartmann's The Valkyrie, or even Dvorak's Rhapsody Op. 14), would the gain in music even come close to the return for the effort? One has to think about feasibility.

All that said, I WOULD love for it to start putting in more classical, even if it continues to have it in the silly way it is (there's some here and there, for various reasons, a lot of it 'holiday', many of them called "classical" as a reason...).

The other thing is, why isn't there more music from musicals (both stage and movie)? Surly THOSE should be easy to classify, especially sticking to the OSTs/OCRs. I love Spamalot and Aladdin, but comeon...


-Joshua

Posted by: Joshua at February 4, 2006 04:38 AM

I like most of the recent changes but I think that there are a few things that need tweaking.

1. I prefer being able to click anywhere in the grey song window and have the menu come up; I don't like the restriction added in 2.1 that you have to click on the album cover in order to have the menu appear. (More room to click is good, not less!)

2. Please add the keyboard shortcut F5 to have Flash send a window.reload() -- when the player is loaded in its own window and it stalls finding a new track, the window has to be closed and re-opened because Flash has taken over the keyboard for that window and therefore the browser does not respond to the F5 keypress (and there is no reload button to click on).

3. The copyright notice at the bottom of the site still says 2005 ;)

Thanks you all for this great service!!

Posted by: Colin S at February 4, 2006 04:28 PM

First, thank you for all the hard work. I love pandora and tell anyone I can. I love the, "Why is this song playing" feature, something that I have not found with anything else. I thought it would be awesome if I could see some stats though. I would like to know how often I select certain attributes. I have noticed that there are a few that pop-up often and that is of great interest to me. Maybe a profile feature that tells me a little more in detail about myself.

Thank you,
Blynder

Posted by: blynder at February 4, 2006 06:48 PM

will a radio station keep playing until you stop it? Or will it end after a certain amount of songs? This site is the coolest thing on the internet!!!!

Posted by: ekim rayd at February 4, 2006 07:33 PM

i would like to state that the pandora projekt is the most beautiful music and radio system ive ever come across, and was refered to me by my brother, whom has over 1500 songs in a mass storage system at his dorm, allowing anyone to access its shared music capabilities, and this thing is so great, i can use it at school, becasue itunes is blocked, ninjatunes is blocked, and i cant get limewire on school computers, thank you whomever created pandora

Posted by: colin at February 4, 2006 08:32 PM

Nice update. I, like another Colin who posted earlier, prefered the ability to click the whole box personally.

The rest of the updates are good :) Appreciate the service and the hard work.

A suggestion though:

If you want to go full blown with the sharing favorites thing, I suggest adding the ability to go through your list of "Songs you Added" and "Songs you liked" and add those to favorites from that menu. So you can quickly build your favorites list from the songs you have recently heard and liked, so you dont have to add to favorites within that 10 minute period that you have before it scrolls off.

Posted by: Another Colin, ironically. There are quite a few. at February 5, 2006 10:41 AM

I love Pandora, it's quite useful.
But I would really like it if you added a pop-up player. Such as is seen on Purevolume.com.

Thanks for great music!

Posted by: DRowe at February 5, 2006 12:32 PM

i love it !!

Posted by: kdn at February 5, 2006 06:08 PM

Hi, Pandora is perfect and I use it all the time. I have one idea for a tweak though: allow the user to go back one track if they make a mistake - I noticed that one of my favourite songs had just started and thought I would pause it for a second so I could run off and get a glass of water first, and looks like I hit the fast-forward button by mistake. -_-

Either that or just move the ff button down a line or something to separate it a little from the others.

Posted by: Dave aka Mith at February 5, 2006 08:18 PM

This website is amazing. It's like the best thing to happen to music ever. I have been reading an article saying that myspace is so great for bands, but, now this blows myspace out of the water for discovering new music.

However, it seems to not recognize some key aspects of the music, like whether or not it involves singing, the lyrical matters, and, last but not least, the hometown of the band or artist. I have NO idea what it takes to include these things (time, money, effort), so don't take what i say too seriously, but, yeah, it would be a cool addition.

Once again, an awesome website, and the share feature is key. And it even runs fast on my incredibly slow computer! Yes, thank you so much.

Posted by: Harry at February 5, 2006 10:30 PM

Someone at Pandora might share how accepting Flash objects impacts on privacy. Just provide a typical example of who's collecting data from a typical user.

That would make me excited. It is a very simple request. Not providing such information is disrespectful of listeners.

Posted by: chuck at February 6, 2006 02:46 PM

Hi Chuck,

We use the flash "local storage" system to store an identifier that lets us identify you and understand when you last visited the site. We use this to simplify the experience (you don't have to login each time you visit) and to remember what songs we last played for you so that we can avoid repeats and such. That's it. This information does not follow you around from site to site and it's never shared with a third party.

Best,

Tom
CTO @ Pandora

Posted by: Tom Conrad at February 6, 2006 03:07 PM

Hey, I have to log in every time. Hmmmm. It picks up where I left off, but no autolog for me.

I have one suggestion: how about a timeclock, so I know how long a track is. I am working my stations by negative response only (after a lot of experimentation I find it gives me the best mix), and sometimes I like a song well enough, but not to listen to right at the moment. If I knew how long it was going to play, I could either put up with it or move on, depending.

Posted by: profpes at February 6, 2006 03:24 PM

by far one of the sites i've stumbled on since overheardinnewyork.com

thank you. just when i thought my playlist was getting boring.

Posted by: Ricky at February 6, 2006 10:17 PM

Just great :)

Still looking forward a stand alone version... an embedded flash player would be good, too, just to be able to start it from your desktop :)

bye

Posted by: NoWhereMan at February 7, 2006 01:20 AM

I've got 24 people in my office, all with pandora.com open and playing in their offices/cubicles. They love me for introducing them to you.

I love you guys, too!

Posted by: jenny at February 7, 2006 10:52 AM

I just have introduced my whole Engineering team. We all have pandora.com running int he background while we work on AutoCad. Keep up the good work.

Thank you.

Posted by: Gurjit Singh at February 7, 2006 12:30 PM

same here... it has been a welcomed addition to my work environment...

thanks.

www.thebitterblog.com

Posted by: Joey at February 7, 2006 01:44 PM

Fantastic work! The interface is very thoughtful and wonderfully clean.

Looking forward to an expansion of the world music library which has many interesting strands to explore. As others have suggested, how can users request or add additional artists? Would love to see an Amazon/iTunes style feature "other listeners who liked these songs like the following" feature somehow incorporated in Pandora - maybe in favorites section?

Would also put a vote in for the Mac OS widget...

Posted by: Rick Wilson at February 7, 2006 02:57 PM

Just great...

Can you help me up to put a link of you web site in my Blog???

Thanks

Posted by: Simão Cruz at February 7, 2006 04:08 PM

Just found Pandora's, and like so many others, "I'm in love!"

Ever since the demise of the old mp3.com, I've greatly missed being able to sample unfamiliar genres and artists. Finding Pandora has reopened that window again. Thanks so much.

Posted by: JoeT at February 7, 2006 05:01 PM

i love you. that's all you need to know.

Posted by: karen at February 7, 2006 08:07 PM

wow. pandora brings all of the goodness right to me. thank you.

Posted by: Natalie at February 8, 2006 06:51 AM

I love you too, but would love you more if you made a widget that can be loaded with the new Opera Browser (v9TP2) so that I could have you floating all the time.

Posted by: Oori at February 8, 2006 11:29 AM

Pandora is great project and well executed. Thanks!

My only complaint so far is the limited variety of genres available. In particular, there seems to be practically zero classical music. I understand that the site owners believe that classical music "is unfortunately lacking in dedicated listeners among people who might use this website", but I would respectfully disagree. In the software development shop where I work most of the people I've talked to would like to have a classical Pandora station to listen to while coding (and no, we're not all over 50 and writing cutting edge Cobol). I would also suggest from a business standpoint that while you would surely have fewer classical fans than pop fans, you would probably find that the classical fans would be more loyal to the service. After all, the wonderful thing about a service like this is that you have the potential to satisfy a large number of niche markets that will reward you with loyalty because so few people serve them.

Posted by: Tracy at February 9, 2006 10:05 AM

Is anyone else having this problem? Occasionally my Firefox crashes while playing Pandora. When FF comes back up Pandora will not play because I get the "Oops! Pandora is already running in another browser window on your computer" error msg. It seems like the only way to clear this is to reboot.

Posted by: Phil at February 9, 2006 11:11 AM

Hi Tracy,

Steve Hogan from Pandora here. I'm glad to hear that you're enjoying Pandora! Just wanted to respond to your concerns about classical music. We do intend to make classical music available through Pandora. We're currently developing a music genome for this purpose and we'll have to populate it with enough music to create a satisfying listening experience. I can tell you there is a lot of enthusiasm within the company to offer classical music to our users - this is a large undertaking but it will be well worth the wait!

Posted by: Steve Hogan at February 9, 2006 11:33 AM

Hey hey!

GREAT work folks, pats on the back and eternal appreciation in order. I'm addicted to your service, and I've since been sharing the good word with everyone I come in contact with. It's like a plague... um, a good one... with music... ahem.

ANYWAY, one tiny request. There's been a lot of good suggestions made already in this forum, and I hope this one hasn't been made already: Equalization. My station is currently all methodical metal mayhem, which would sound that much better if I could notch up the bass a bit and even out the high tones. I know, I know... I should probably just buy better speakers... BUT all the proggies I use for my mp3s and the like have the function. Which I enjoy.

Again, a very small idea, but one I wished for quite a lot when Lamb of God blasts it's way into my ear holes.

Oh, who am I kidding; this program is perfect in every way. Thank you again!

Posted by: Louis O'Quinn at February 9, 2006 02:11 PM

This is the most amazing invention I have seen in a long time. I think, like other posters, that I may cry. It's like you're reading my mind. Truly, the best thing to happen to music since, well, in a long time.

Posted by: Nupe at February 10, 2006 02:52 PM

Hi from another addict in Germany! 8-D
... though I'm a bit annoyed by the frequent interruptions of the data stream (about 3 to 4 breaks per minute, each lasting about 4 to 6 seconds)! If other German or European listeners experience the same (I'd like your feedback in the blog), I will settle for the FAQ explanation that due to license restrictions Pandora cannot offer its full service outside the USA at the moment.

So PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE make Pandora available everywhere - I believe the Planet is longing for being infected!!! ;-]

Well, back to being serious - maybe my rather old PC is to blame for the extent of those interruptions: It's a Pentium II MMX with only 64 MB RAM, therefore I'm running it with Windows 98, Firefox 1.5.0.1, ZoneAlarm 6.1 firewall and AntiVir PE Classic 7.0 (if that matters). But my internet access is a TV cable modem (nice flatrate combined with telephone) with 4 times the speed of an analog 56-K modem. Should I upgrade to full DSL speed, or should I exchange the PC though it has fulfilled my needs up to now?

I think this conflict is representative for many private PC users, so I'd appreciate your experience and comments!

Posted by: Ralf at February 14, 2006 10:25 AM

I suggest two feature I'd like: random play for all radio I have, and add in the text on the album cover also the album name!

Posted by: Mauro at February 15, 2006 02:20 AM

Yeah, the widget for MacOS would be the most amazing idea ever.

Posted by: Chris at February 16, 2006 02:09 AM

I'd just like to know if you are considering providing higher quality streaming for paying customers? I quite like the concept of this 'station', but I quickly find the distortions/artefacts introduced by the compression irritate me and I have to switch off.

Posted by: Rik Hemsley at February 16, 2006 11:21 AM

This is friggin AWSOME! I just decovered pandora a few days ago and already listen to it all day while working and I tell all the people I meet just how great it is. Wonderful! Terrific! Lovely!
Of course I too would like the music base to broader, but hey, you're still working on it, right? So keep it up! This is just so much better than common radio. Thanks for all the fun so far.

Posted by: Florian at February 16, 2006 11:34 AM

Are you going to provide an API? If so, will it be soon?

I like, nay LOVE Pandora, and I like the interface, but would like to put together my own.

Maybe even have a community where people could upload their own "skins" so people could have a choice? ;)

Posted by: Mike J at February 17, 2006 06:37 AM

So I totally dig this site, totally amazing if you ask me, but sometimes when I just wanna chill and listen to music I like the room to be dark, and a monitor glowing brightens any room, and I like saying if I like the music or not so I need my monitor on. I know that there are ways to play the stuff on this site through a media player and things like that, but I think allowing customizable skins, or even just some different preset colors for the site would be awesome.

Posted by: Matt C at March 5, 2006 06:32 PM

(quick note - I am NOT the classical jerk from earlier! He shames all Phils everywhere. :P )

Pandora is a totally amazing resource, and I can't give enough praise to those who are responsible for it. The whole idea is revolutionary genius, the delivery and sound quality is superb, and within minutes I had found a couple of great new artists I'd never heard of! Brilliant! Fantastic site, recommended it to all my friends.

So imagine how we all felt when we found out that we make accounts because we don't live in the US? Now I won't pretend to understand all the legal reasons behind this but given that I subscribe to three net radio stations in the US without any problem, I'm not only disappointed but very surprised.

You must get sick of answering this, but when us UK music-lovers going to be able to sign up?

Posted by: Phil at March 10, 2006 06:17 AM

I just wanted to thank you for this wonderful service. It amazes me how music that I thought was unrelated actually is more similar than I thought. There is much more commonality to my musical tastes than I thought.

And I thought I had eclectic tastes, until I found things I like showing up where I wasn't especting to find them!

Posted by: originalsnuffy at March 24, 2006 12:21 PM

Pandora is great, but please - think about stand alone widget for poor WinXP users.

Posted by: Peter at March 25, 2006 03:27 AM

Whilst playing, the music stops and starts during the song. I have a new laptop, could there be a problem with the software ?. Running on Windows XP with dial up internet.
Thanks

Posted by: Kerri F at May 15, 2006 10:24 PM

Dialup would be your problem. You don't have enough bandwidth to stream the music fast enough to play.

Posted by: Phil Boardman at May 20, 2006 07:27 PM

LOVE this station!! In fact, I like it so much, I was wondering if I could record it to CD so I could listen to Pandora on the long trips I make to West Virginia and Milwaukee Wisconsin.

Please say there's a way I can do this.

Thanks, Orville

Posted by: Orville Richardson at May 26, 2006 11:54 AM

Pandora is really amazing.Just wondering if there is a way to display songs plaing in an instant messenger (Eg like the windows live messenger plugin). Or maybe a way to play pandora outside a browser, perhaps a standalone player or sumthing like that?

Posted by: Richard at June 11, 2006 03:09 AM

Pandora this is wanderfull, i´m loving!

Posted by: Amarildo at September 19, 2006 02:44 PM

pandora doesn't open completely and will not allow a change in my current email address (old email address can't be changed)to reach the help page.

HOW CAN I REACH HELP?

Posted by: michael at November 4, 2006 10:11 AM

Hi Amarildo,

You can reach help at pandora-support(at)pandora.com. I have forwarded your blog post to the support team; if you've provided the correct email address with your post, I'm sure they'll respond to you.

Thanks,

Seana
Dir. of Product Management, Pandora

Posted by: seana at November 5, 2006 10:36 AM

Pandora is really great!

Only problem I have encountered is that is sometimes causes firefox to crash.

But what a innovative service, thanks!

Posted by: Jenny at November 11, 2006 04:19 PM

I love Pandora!
But I want a MSN Messenger plugin to display played songs!!!!!!!!!!! :)

Posted by: Rodrigo at January 18, 2007 06:57 AM

Why no instant messenger now playing option? I just spent ages looking for one but I can't find one. It's so annoying, even if I hack winamp to get pandora in it as a web radio it still doesn't show in I.M.

Come on guys - get with the program!

Also I'm keep getting awfull pop-metal tunes on radio stations that normally play much better bands - there should be a "no pop-crap" button. :P

Posted by: waffle247 at January 23, 2007 06:27 AM

I want the msn now playing option as well :-)

Posted by: Steven at March 9, 2007 10:19 AM

LOVE this station!! Great! Thanks!

Posted by: Rechtsanwalt Strafrecht at April 19, 2007 11:36 AM

jeez people, don't be so demanding...I want MSN plug ins, blah blah blah.....this is such a wonderful program that is free, ease up a little!

Posted by: chris at July 12, 2007 04:42 AM

The MSN plugin thingy is available through Pandora's Box see here:

http://www.cfdan.com/posts/Pandoras_Box_-_Updates.cfm

I also have fallen totally head over heels for Pandora its ******* A!!

Posted by: Martin at July 31, 2007 03:44 AM

PANDORAS IS THE BEST :) A****

Posted by: jason at November 21, 2007 10:10 AM

This is the best music site i've ever used.All I ever talk about is wanting newer music i have not heard.And you deliver.Thanx!!!

Posted by: Steven at August 22, 2008 11:37 AM

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