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February 21, 2006

It's the little, itty-bitty things

When we rolled out Pandora 2.1 a couple of weeks ago we talked about our efforts to polish up the "little things" in the user interface. Tonight we rolled out one additional tiny little improvement that we hope you'll like.

Starting tonight each time you hear a song you'll be able to click on the song title (in the song "slide," above the album art) which will take you to a page devoted to just that song. You'll then be able to listen to a sample of the song, see what album it's from (lots of you have asked specifically for that) and send the URL on to your friends that might like the song. Ok, so it's a very small thing, but we hope you like it. More to come. Stay tuned!

Posted by Tom Conrad at February 21, 2006 11:11 PM

Comments

What an incredible site!!!!!
I love it!!!!
This is what the Internet was created for (along with porn).
Long life and prosperity to all of you! Let me know if you need a technical writer.

-Bill

Posted by: Bill at February 22, 2006 12:34 AM

Hi, I just want to give another idea for a new possible "litle thing" :)

Would it be possible to link pandora with "what i'm listening to" msn funtionality?

Congratulations for your excellent work!

Cya

Posted by: Filipe at February 22, 2006 04:08 AM

Nice, I like it!

Still want an API :D

Posted by: Mike J at February 22, 2006 05:45 AM

Nice! I like it. I find myself a lot getting excited by a song I hear on Pandora and trying to find a way to point my friend that song. This solves that need. Keep up the great work!

Posted by: Justin Thorp at February 22, 2006 06:06 AM

I love the new feature. One thing I would add to the song page would be a release date for each tune, and any chart information on the song you could come up with.

Again, thanks for a great service.

Steve

Posted by: Steve Forman at February 22, 2006 06:39 AM

This is a nice feature, but it still doesn't include the year. Even more that what album the song is from, I wonder what year it's from. However, Pandora's overall problem is still that many of the songs just aren't very good. Jaws was a great movie, but I don't want to see Jaws 4 or Piranha, no matter similar they are.

Posted by: Tysto at February 22, 2006 06:55 AM

Possibly there is truth in your musicical preference that is on the t-shirt available from The Onion. The shirt simply states: Your favorite band sucks.

I've found hits and misses with Pandora with 95% being hits.

It's all about checking out new music. While most of the bands I've either heard or recognize, there are some that are new and that's what I appreciate.

Posted by: Steve Tietz at February 22, 2006 08:36 AM

I just wanted to say congratulations on a great service. This new feature makes it all the more cool. I subscribed to Pandora a few months ago and it's some of the best money I ever spent. I have you on at work, home, and have told people about you. One thing. Can you buy people a gift subscription to Pandora? This is by far the coolest thing to come along on the web as far as music delivery. Thank you for making me feel "in touch" again.

Posted by: Anne at February 22, 2006 10:15 AM

This is one of the best sites I've ever seen. I don't know how you do it, but please don't stop! I even have my dad (a big band fan) listening to stuff he hasn't heard in decades. Whoever you folks are, thanks!

Posted by: Matt at February 22, 2006 10:46 AM

I agree with Steve...
Including the release date / year would be great.

Viva Pandora

Posted by: akil at February 22, 2006 11:59 AM

Steve Forman:
"However, Pandora's overall problem is still that many of the songs just aren't very good."

You must be retarded! Personaly, I hate about 90% of the music that is produced these days. That's the reason why I don't listen to radio. Instead I open up Pandora and make it select songs from the remaining 10%. Obviously you wouldn't like most of over 300.000 songs (covering God knows how many genres). I don't either. That doesn't mean that Pandora has a problem. It just means that there is something for everyone and that if you would take your time to get into it you there is at least a couple of thousands songs for you, as well.

Maybe you'll even find something new that you'd begin to like.

Posted by: Lauge Jepsen at February 22, 2006 01:14 PM

Thanks for the update! It certainly shows, once again, that you actually listen to and care about your many loyal fans.

Might be considered a "little thing" as you've put it, but I know I'm not the only one who'll be singing your praise for it ;). Cheers.

Posted by: Louis O'Quinn at February 22, 2006 01:51 PM

I love this site. Everything about it is cool. I have never been into music on my pc; too much hassle, too many choices, etc. This site is perfect; let it run and listen or not. My only suggeston is to add classical music to the mix, but I gather from the FAQ that you are trying to crack that nut.

Let me know if you need a mySql dba.

J

Posted by: John at February 22, 2006 03:23 PM

Right now the latest feature doesn't do all that much more than is already available: I like to select the link to Amazon and read all the reviews, etc. This feature as it stands only really provides the album title when the Amazon search fails and a song sample when one is missing from either of the sponsoring vendors.

Nevertheless, the song page has potential for providing uniquely Pandoran information about a song in the future. It might be intersting to learn how frequently a song has been broadcast, or how frequently a song page gets linked to. It would also might be interesting see a few of the genes of the song used as an automated Pandoran description. I look forward to seeing how this feature evolves.

Posted by: Mertseger at February 22, 2006 05:37 PM

NIce work... it work really well. But...
I'm missing a lot Brazilian music. There is almost nothing...
Where is Jo�o donato, Johnny Alf, Hermeto Pascoal, Moacir Santos... i think it will be a long time until we can seach around these things.

Posted by: marcelo at February 22, 2006 07:46 PM

could you inestigate for having more music from spanish groups, i would love it ;)

nice place!

Posted by: Raül at February 23, 2006 12:05 AM

Your effort opened up new possibilities. It is a natural and correct way of enjoying something evey normal healthy person needs: music.

A next step should be to port this tool to other platforms, equipment, such as listening to the music on your cellular. It would be great to carry a simple device that connects wireless to the music on Pandora.

Cheers.

Posted by: Desy Kakiay at February 23, 2006 02:51 AM

Woa... you call this little?
I mean Pandora was great! since the update its perfect and now its genious ^^ I hope you will still work on new music and more CD arts...
Yes more statistics would be great...

Posted by: Chris at February 23, 2006 06:51 AM

How about integrating CDDB information into Pandora? That will instantly give people access to A LOT of information about the music they are listening too.

Posted by: Lauge Jepsen at February 23, 2006 07:25 AM

Awesome! I'm one of those who really wanted the album functionality (really want to get my hands on some of the stuff I've heard on here).

While you're doing stuff with albums, why isn't there a "create station from album" option? Keep up all the good work!

Posted by: Adam Blinkinsop at February 23, 2006 09:44 AM

I agree with Adam Blinkinsop that a "create station from album" feature would improve Pandora. Similarly, I think that users should have the option to add all of an album's songs when adding music to a station.

Many of us have 'favorites' playlists in other players and the first thing we do when coming across Pandora is add the music from our favorites playlists. I had to add all of Pink Floyd's Dark Side of the Moon, and Rush's Moving Pictures albums, o-n-e- -s-o-n-g- -a-t- -a- -t-i-m-e.

To make matters worse, the Player's UI takes users back out to its main screen after every addition of music, rather than immediately giving users the opportunity to add another song -- like accounting software, or My Yahoo! does when users are adding bookmarks.

With a "create station from album" feature, Pandora wouldn't even have to ask users which song they're referring to.

These scripts run slowly on older PCs.

Rather than creating a station from an artist, which adds a lot of music, let a user -- that just likes one or some of the albums of an artist -- add just those albums.

Posted by: Bob-Tuba at February 23, 2006 11:11 AM

Just wanted to say how amazing this site truly is. I'm a music minor at school and it's awesome to have people who appreciate and understand music share such a site. Thank you so much! Your hard work is obvious...and appreciated.

Posted by: Briana at February 23, 2006 11:50 AM

To solve all the additional info that people want I will add a link to All Music Guide entry.

Hey - you already did it.

You are the best - you need to explain it the posting.

We love you.

Posted by: David at February 23, 2006 07:10 PM

Another nice feature would be the ability change the order of the stations so that similar stations created at different times could be grouped together. Love the site and the service. Even thinking about buying that squeezebox, just for Pandora.

Posted by: Adam at February 23, 2006 07:42 PM

I would like be able to have a more fine grained classification then Thumbs-up/down.
I would like to have something like;

- "Absolutely Great"

- "Good"

- "This tune is not a perfect representation of this station, but please suprise me once in a while with the likes of this"

- "Don't really like this of"

- "Never play this again"

- "Hmm, create new station of this tune"

- "Hmm, move this tune to different station"

Regards Johan

Posted by: Johan at February 24, 2006 03:57 AM

I'm worried that the combination of

1) The menu can only be obtained by clicking the album art

2) Clicking the song title does something

will keep some people from discovering the menu that lets them guide Pandora. Why didn't you keep the menu obtainable from the entire rectangle, with the song info as a menu item?

Posted by: Jesse Ruderman at February 24, 2006 04:22 AM

It is the little things that count!

Nice update! This was one of the issues that used to niggle me, and now its fixed. You could (if not already) also provide a link to a specific song/artist from each persons 'favorites' page. As well as emailing individual songs, sending friends a URL with a list of favorite songs could be useful too.

Keep up the good work!

Posted by: simons_jamjar at February 24, 2006 09:20 AM

I love you.

hahaha!!!! I was reading Time magazine... found your absolutely unbeleivably awesome radio... I tell ya what, I'm hooked..hehehe

So is it possible to do one of those mp3 pages with your music? Ummm -- this is kinda hard to explain. Like if you go to windowsmedia home page and don't have a windows media player it takes you to a web page that uses quicktime and plays the song there.... yeeahhh... that was confuzing.. sorry bout that.

But anyway-- it's kind of like sending a link to a url that plays strictly that song (kinda like you were saying you are going to put in) But it plays the entire song, not just a clip. I should go now before I hurt myself......

Again- I LOVE YOU!!!!!! :D your site rocks...

Drea

Posted by: Drea at February 24, 2006 10:29 AM

Great improvement!

Posted by: Mariano at February 24, 2006 11:05 AM

just discovered your excellent website!

great features - I have no clue how this works, but it is awesome!!! :D

i'd like to request one more feature though : while the song is playing, i'd like to see a (moving) bar that tells me how much time is left in the song.

also, i'd like to see the year in which the album was released - it is fun to associate an album with other music that got released around the same time!

Posted by: ephemereal at February 24, 2006 11:12 AM

This is wonderful!
I got a tip about this yesterday and I love it!
Many of my friends and colleagues are already listening!
Keep it up! :D

Posted by: terjekva at February 24, 2006 01:57 PM

i loved pandora so much, but miss french artists

Posted by: leila at February 24, 2006 05:44 PM

please, more french + italian artists

Posted by: leila at February 24, 2006 05:48 PM

Maybe adding the year, the titles of the other songs...maybe a small sample of each of those songs .. 30 secs.. links to other albums by the same band...a random similar too link.. probably asking too much there, lol... lyrics.. hehe... okay now i think im going overboard now.. hehe...
nice... good itzy bitzy.. takes time doing all the work on even the bitzyz. but they all add up.. ;) thanx again.. and keep up the ossum work...

Posted by: Joseph Wilson at February 24, 2006 07:47 PM

This is very cool. It would great to be to infulence the popularity of the music stream with a button or slider. At one end would be "B" -side cuts or esoteric jams at the other would be the "a" hits by the artisits. Any chance of a little cross-fade or less dead-air between songs ?

Having said that - this is very good. We just need a big ol' Wi-max net up as well.

Posted by: Tony at February 25, 2006 05:43 AM

Just read about Pandora today on BBC news. What a great concept !! Apparently no french european artists yet. Long life to you and lots of success

Posted by: Miguel at February 25, 2006 09:03 AM

Freakin awesome! You guys rock, so diverse and big this is, what a workload you must have put into it.

++

Posted by: ChE at February 25, 2006 01:06 PM

Fantastic stuff. I remember in college when i was visiting the MGP and lovin it until is was shut down. Now in my thirties, i can't get enough of pandora.

How about a Microsoft Media Center plugin? I have already added the "More" link to My Music but it would be great if the music player used the media center player and had a full MCE interface to use with remote as well as a service to buy each song/album.

I'm sure it's being considered so here's my vote....chase the rvenue in media centers!

Posted by: Samsonite at February 25, 2006 02:49 PM

This seems to be a great project. I read about it for the first time today in my newspaper and decided I wanted to check it out. I'm creating a radio station based on Guided By Voices right now.
Keep up the good work!
Best wishes from Norway,

Posted by: Knut at February 26, 2006 01:43 AM

"DITTO" - for all of the complimentary feedback thus far - in my corner of the world, 2 words best describes my opinion of Pandor - Definitely Perfect.

Posted by: Ralph Weinsheink at February 26, 2006 11:20 AM

This site is phenomenal. Absolutely top notch

Posted by: Jenny at February 26, 2006 01:51 PM

i'm all for being able to create a station by album-- long-surviving bands musically transform (genomes come and go, i guess...) over time, and there are a select few i'd love to base stations on, but i want nothing to do with their later/current work. or, perhaps vice verse.

so, that would be cool. you guys are fan-frickin-tastic.

(many thank yous)

Posted by: Lisa at February 26, 2006 04:17 PM

This site is unbelievable!!!! I'm hearing music I haven't heard in years and some stuff I never would have found on my own! You guys deserve a medal or something....
:-)

Posted by: Kevin from Irvine at February 26, 2006 06:34 PM

Fantastic site!!! I've already forgotten when I accessed my MP3 collection last time. Who needs them if you have somebody palying your favorite music for you?

Thanx guys and keep it up!!!

Posted by: Ctrl-Alt-Del at February 27, 2006 08:46 AM

I love the "Thumbs up" / "Thumbs down" feature. Please don't replace this with a rating system (when exactly is a song "good" instead of "really good", anyway? Either you like it or you don't).

However, what about a "Flip off this track" option? :)

This feature could be used if you want to remove the track in question from ALL your stations instead of just the one you are listening too right now.

Posted by: Lauge Jepsen at February 27, 2006 10:55 AM

On Johan's post: I'm thinking more along the lines of two different types of good/bad:
I like/dislike this type of music (genre), and
I like/dislike this piece of music (quality).

Posted by: Adam Blinkinsop at February 27, 2006 01:05 PM

Another cool thing would be making a radio station by fine-tuning the actual parameters behind the scenes: I want to listen to breakbeats, for example, and I don't have any particular artist in mind.

Posted by: Adam Blinkinsop at February 27, 2006 01:08 PM

I'm loving it so far... and you've added my fave indie band, Sirsy :)

Is there a way we could help in submitting cover art somehow? Sometimes that IS what helps to sell something too... just a thought :)

Posted by: Kriste/dove95 at February 27, 2006 02:07 PM

First love your service. A suggestion about your new feature of clicking on the name of the song and being taken to the artist etc. Couldn't we have the ability of being able to have the album "open up" to see what other songs are in there in case we want to purchase it. As it is now, you have to go to Amazon, type in the artist, find the album, then read the selections.

One other idea, there are times when I LOVE the song but don't like the artist, or vice versa so I wonder if you could also add a "I like this artist" or "I don't like this artist" as you do with the songs?

Posted by: Barbara J. Booth at February 27, 2006 04:09 PM

Very good service, excellent music, quality, choose, all! my compliments

Posted by: semmy at February 27, 2006 04:31 PM

I continue to be in awe at the level of service, attention to detail and the variety of music that is available on Pandora! I am addicted...can't work or be on line without it!

I have also had the pleasure of hearing and purchasing some long forgotten about tunes that are still hits on my list.

Thanks for the cool new features and for using the feedback of true music fans to make the experience special...

Posted by: Rosalind at February 27, 2006 06:31 PM

Hello! I'm a devoted Pandora user, I must say it's a wonderful tool and a great iniciative...
I would like to propose, though, that you add latin singers to it (other than shakira.. for example, I didn't find any chilean artists..), and also classical music.
I told about Pandora to my dad, and he found some real nice stuff, but no classical. He tried for Mozart with no luck!
Hehe, just a suggestion of course ^^

Thanks for all this, really, it's a great project...

Posted by: fran at February 27, 2006 09:20 PM

I love this tool. I have discovered so many artists that I enjoy but never would have found otherwise. One comment, I cannot find any Ethiopian jazz. Any tips on that one?

Posted by: Matt at February 28, 2006 02:26 AM

I have found so many artists that just rock my socks, and rediscovered some old ones I have forgotten about too...

I have had two small ideas... A desktop download that works the same way would be nice... also perhaps a list of the songs that are already in the database, because the search function is rather simple minded, and that way people can see for sure if you have the song or not... just something that was floating around my head...

Posted by: NotRequired at February 28, 2006 06:06 AM

New "not so small thing" request from a brand new user...

How about an interface that allowes me to build and edit my stations quickly and easily...

A form to add multiple artists and to be able to go back and edit that list would be GREAT.

Posted by: Michael at February 28, 2006 07:36 AM

Hi,
great thing MUSIC GENOME PROJECT !
Good sound quality, great music choices.

Missing report about which RADIO are created, genere, and recents.

When i'll see them?

Smile :-)

Posted by: RaelMatrix at February 28, 2006 10:28 AM

it would be great to be able somehow to view the album art larger or even better to be able to see liner notes

Posted by: tony at February 28, 2006 10:34 AM

I love it. A real enrichment.

I am however slightly irritated by the following two things:
1. Now and then, songs' endings get cut off too early.
2. Too many repetitions - ok your choice of salsa, merengue, bachatta, regaton and the like is somewhat limited for a start, that is o.k. - but why don't you play other songs from the same album instead of only a single song over and over.

Here is my crazy idea for an even better version: add a "genre" function - however it is tedious to add this classification centrally - instead you could let the users add their genre classification in good wiky fashion.

Posted by: wushi at February 28, 2006 02:47 PM

I like the new "little" addition. Doing a great job!

Posted by: TimG at March 1, 2006 07:06 AM

Hey, Great service. But there's one problem: My preferences don't seem to result in hearing the music I've requested. Instead, I get a seemingly endless stream of unfamiliar music. Now don't get me wrong, I like hearing new music--I've found a few gems so far. But the balance should be more toward 75% familiar, 25% new. (Or selectable)

Right now, some of the bands I entered are not played at all. I've been listening for 4 days, and not one Pink Floyd song. You've played only 5 or 6 Rush songs, although it was my first and main preference. Same with Dream Theater--I entered it as one of my main preferences, and have only heard 5-6 songs. Also, the algorithm doesn't seem to be learning. Even though I've rejected quite a number of songs, a lot of songs with the same style I've rejected keep coming up.

Another thing I suspect is that you use the age of the user to select songs from their 'youth.' Yeah, I'm 41, but I'm not a big fan of 80's music. Yet it keeps coming up. This should be selectable. I'm sure you're working on overall refinements, but it's kind of rough right now. Also, a notation of album and release date would be good.

In the radio station department, it would be good to be able to duplicate a station. This would allow deletion of some artists and songs to create a more focused station, while still keeping the original. Thanks again.

Posted by: Sean Prophet at March 1, 2006 01:56 PM

Yes, many itty-bitty little things make for a great whole - you guys have done a wonderful job!

How about someday, in a future release, you add another itty bitty capability of moving a song from one station to another? I have several genre stations, and sometimes you guys stray a bit - say you played a song I consider more rock on my jazz station - and I like the song but don't want it there? Yeah, I know, it's not about categorization. What can I say, I'm a categorizer, not a disorganizator?

Wonderful project, great site, fab music that I'd never have been exposed to otherwise. Big smiles.

Posted by: ktricomi at March 3, 2006 11:27 AM

One more instant fan . . . tipped to the site days ago and have not stopped using it. Like many others, I've stopped listening to my existing playlists. Wonderful stuff.

The song info is very nice. A few suggestions: 1) You currently link to an artist's' All Music Guide entry through the song info page. Can you also make this a live link from the player?; 2) Successive AllMusic entries should open in the same window, not new windows, curtailing the proliferation of new windows; 3) Have an album link on both the player and the song info page.

I'd also like to reiterate suggestions elsewhere asking for an easier way to add multiple artists in a row.

Once again, the design and funtion of the player is amazing. Well-crafted, a pleasure to use and to listen to. I am happy to see the enthusiasm for and success of the service. Thanks,

-R3

Posted by: Rich at March 4, 2006 12:22 AM

Love the service. The simplicity of Pandora is great, plus it allows for the divorery of new music by serendipity. Like some of the other posters, I'd like to see more latin music as well. As for thumbs up/thumbs down, that's cool, but I wish there was a way to give thumbs down to an artist. I find myself having to give thumbs down to a song, but two songs later, the artist I hate comes back in the queue with another song that I don't like, to which I give another thumbs down. And it keeps going. I just wish I could banish an artist once and for all. Other than that, I give the service an A-!

Posted by: kel at March 4, 2006 08:06 AM

Hello Tom and Tim,

Once again my kudos to you folks for what you've done, simply amazing it is. I have two suggestions for you. First off, it'd be nice to have the ability to make a copy of a shared station that I'd then be able to tweak and fine tune from that point. The second thought has to do with the song page you talk about. Noticed a lot of people are looking for song and album info, so I have to ask, is the link you have to the Allmusic website still just a dirty little secret at this point? I was stoked when I found that as I've using Allmusic as my main source of info for years and it's a beauty. So my suggestion would then be for you to first make this linking capabilty known and follow it up by making it even more convenient to access. Would be perfect if it were an option on the pop up menu or maybe even make the artist's name the hyperlink?

Cheers to all

Posted by: jimmy at March 4, 2006 12:38 PM

When a song comes up that I've already rated thumbs up, it should already have the up thumb in the little box. For some stations I've literally rated hundreds of songs up or down, and it would be nice to know, for each song, if I've rated it already or not.

Posted by: Sheik Yerbooti at March 4, 2006 01:39 PM

great job guys! it's an amazing site!!

Posted by: cj at March 12, 2006 12:19 AM

absolutely agree on the msn thing by the way. would be heavenly.

Posted by: Aisha at March 13, 2006 03:11 PM

Superb site and an amazing idea :)

Posted by: James at March 15, 2006 06:49 AM

While we're on suggestions...

How about an "autolog" that keeps track of all the tracks/artists you've listened to during a session as a scrolling, ever-growing HTML page in a separate browser window? Similar to favorites, but you don't have to tell it to save. Perhaps it would even keep track of skips and thumbs up/down. That way, if you're too busy to check what you've heard, you could still catch up later.

Also since the multimedia buttons handily control pause/play, forward, and volume up/down, why not find an application for the reverse button? Since there's no reverse in Pandora, perhaps it could be a forward with a thumbs down. Multimedia buttons sometimes appear on laptop exteriors or remotes - a + button is not always handy.

Posted by: Guy at March 15, 2006 09:12 PM

Great website... I enjoy it...

Posted by: Martin at March 18, 2006 08:23 AM

question: do you have classical music in the genome? If so how is it listed?

Posted by: sharon at March 19, 2006 05:27 AM

Hi Sharon,

The approach we take to playlist construction is based on what we call "music analysis". Our team of music-analysts listen to music one song at a time and document the underlying musical characteristics for each song. Right now we analyze Jazz, Rock, Country, Hip Hop, Dance, and Electronica music. We're also hard at work on Latin music. We love classical music too, and have designed an approach for capturing the unique features of world music -- you can imagine that the instruments, playing style, harmonics, and construction are different enough that a different vocabulary of attributes is required. We'll be working our way through a catalog of classical music, but it is a time consuming process. It will take us a while to get to "critical mass," but we will get there.

Tom
CTO @ Pandora

Posted by: Tom Conrad at March 19, 2006 09:47 AM

I just arrived in pandoraland a couple of weeks ago, I am now completely obsessed. I actually look forward to going to work (how is that possible). I used to work in a music store and my life was constantly filled with new music over the last ten years I moved to suburbia, took a job in corporate America, and bought a car based on gas milage - I lost myself. Thanks to you I am inspired and my soul feels full of music.

Thank you

Posted by: Scarlett at May 16, 2006 04:45 PM

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