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May 30, 2007
Electronic Dance Music, Part I
Our podcast series makes its first foray into electronica, as host Kevin Seal welcomes Dance Music Genome teacher Chris Horgan. Chris programs beats, does production, and plays live drums for the downtempo group Beatropolis. They will talk about the stylistic elements that help define House, Trance, and Techno, explore the music's roots in disco, minimalism, and Ghanaian drumming patterns, and explain how dance music is experienced vertically, not horizontally. (11 mins.)Click the "Continue reading" button below to hear examples of these specific styles, and to see the musical terms we discuss in the episode. When you're finished, be sure to check out Part II of this show.
MUSICAL TERMS INCLUDED IN THIS PODCAST
| House | Breakbeat | Downtempo | Vertical integration |
| Trance | Drum and bass | BPM | Horizontal structure |
| Techno | Jungle | Trip-hop | Resonance |
| Timbre | Upbeats | Four on the floor | Open hi-hat |
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HOUSE. (BPMs often 105-130.)
The house track we featured in this episode is "Eye 4 Eye" by Cubase Dan. Cubase Dan also works with us at Pandora.
Elements of HOUSE --
straight beat, disco influence, diva vocals, deep vs. funky
by Frankie Knuckles |
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by Basement Jaxx |
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by Masters At Work |
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by Jesse Saunders |
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by the Gossip |
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TRANCE. (BPMs often 105-130.)
Our trance selection is "Pillar III" by Nepenthe. Notice the huge kick drum sound and the anthemic build-ups.
Elements of TRANCE --
epic feels, synth-fx chorus, breakdown and buildup, arpeggiated synthesizers
by Warrior |
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by Sasha |
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by Tiesto (this song is a minor anomaly because it features a breakbeat, not four on the floor) |
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by Robert Miles |
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by Astral Projection |
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TECHNO. (BPMs often 105-140.)
Debroglie's "Blind Trial" is a techno track we chose for its short riffs, its vertical organization, and its dry sound. Debroglie and Gravity Terminal (linked here) are both the projects of producer Timo Preece.
Elements of TECHNO --
minimalism, dry sound, futuristic & electro influences, short riffs
by Jeff Mills |
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by Richie Hawtin |
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by Cybotron (this very early techno song is also a minor anomaly because it features a breakbeat) |
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by Model 500 |
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by Alexander Robotnik |
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by Michael Mayer |
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BREAKBEAT. (BPMs often 120-165.)
To exemplify breakbeat's faster tempos, prominent backbeat, and syncopated kick drum, we chose a Desert Dwellers track called "Acid Monsters (Phokus & Seed Remix)."
Elements of BREAKBEAT --
slowed-down Drum and Bass, funky drum beats, synthetic sonority, double-time feel
by DJ Icey |
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by Deekline and Wizard |
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by Chemical Brothers |
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by Crystal Method |
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by Lee Coombs |
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by Freestylers |
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DRUM & BASS. (BPMs often 155-190.)
Speed up breakbeat even more, focus on the bass, and darken the feel a bit, and you might get a drum & bass track like "All the Way" by Touchphonics.
Elements of DRUM AND BASS --
heavy bass, MCing, 2x drum samples, syncopation, dense orchestration
by Shy FX |
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by Roni Size & Reprazent |
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by UK Apachi & Shy FX |
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by Future Cut & Futurebound |
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by Intense |
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by Klute |
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DOWNTEMPO. (BPMs often 70-110.)
A great example of a chill downtempo track is Tal M. Klein's "Maintaining Legitimacy." It's slower, mellower, and more likely to feature jazz or pop harmonies.
Elements of DOWNTEMPO --
mellowness, use of chords and Fender Rhodes electric piano, use of samples, rap influence in the beats
by Sutro |
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by Beatropolis |
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by Portishead |
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by Morcheeba |
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by DJ Krush |
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by Kruder & Dorfmeister |
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by Thievery Corporation |
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by Waldeck |
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Thanks to Ingrooves for their help in procuring some of the tracks used to make this podcast.
Comments
Sounds/looks great Kevin!
This is part one of the podcast - covering trance/techno/house. Part two is coming shortly and will cover breakbeat/drum&bass/downtempo.
Cheers!
Posted by: Chris at May 30, 2007 10:38 AM
Hey guys this is a great podcast! I can't wait for the Drum & Bass podcast!
This podcast really gives a great understanding of the subtle differences in dance music. Almost like learning how to enjoy the complexities of a fine wine.
Posted by: Jeff Anthony at May 30, 2007 01:21 PM
It drives me crazy when people refer to all electronic music as "techno." I think I'm going to send all my friends to this page for some edumacation.
I find it intriguing that this come out on the heels of DEMF (http://www.demf.com)
Posted by: Mark at May 31, 2007 03:41 AM
Thanks, guys -- Mark, I completely agree. It's very annoying to have all electronic music labeled offhandedly as 'techno.' Bring your friends, and get them sorted out.
Posted by: Kevin Seal at May 31, 2007 10:24 AM
I'm a dance music artist myself and found the analysis of different styles really interesting! Thanks for all the hard work!
Posted by: Luc at June 1, 2007 04:33 PM
Great episode. PLEASE INCLUDE A PAUSE BUTTON!
Posted by: Caleb at June 3, 2007 09:35 AM
were getting closer, developing motivating and visious emotional prominant build-up. Exploding beats new and exciting with history meshed throughout cool vertical grooves. TIme is happening with dancing to clipper tunes. Sailing repitiously, life is h
Posted by: steve II at June 4, 2007 06:51 PM
If you want to pause the audio I believe the best option is to download the MP3, and then play it back using your preferred media player. Then you can pause to yer hearts content!
Posted by: Chris at June 4, 2007 07:28 PM
Its awesome to have a real explanation of the tech terms associated with the different genres - especially since they are starting to mix and meld together to create new sounds. This will help anyone struggling to mature their sound, their style and production - thanks pandora - you ROCK!
Posted by: O at June 5, 2007 12:41 PM
Very informative and fun.
Posted by: Ed2345 at June 5, 2007 01:00 PM
how come psy trance is not there ??? hell infected started with it .. sad
Posted by: ashwin.l at June 5, 2007 01:06 PM
Thanks, O and Ed2345!
Ashwin, there was a lot we didn't cover just due to lack of time. So there's more on the way in future episodes, rest assured. There are so many splinter genres and styles at play in this kind of music, it's impossible to hit them all at once.
Posted by: Kevin Seal at June 5, 2007 01:11 PM
Finally some good explanation of music, I actually learn from download.com in the music categorization section. Anyways I can't wait for breaks, Drum & bass and trip-hop in part 2 which are my favorite Genres, although it seems that you guys missed out on Big Beats or I guess that could be Upbeats.
And yes 99.9% of the people should stfu That think electronica music is "techno"
Posted by: ATIX at June 5, 2007 02:02 PM
STFU= "Shine Thy Father's Urn."
It's an old Dutch expression, I think.
Posted by: Kevin Seal at June 5, 2007 02:06 PM
Very interesting podcast but U forgot to mentioned Washington, DC Club House, an African American Club which opened in the mid 70's until the early 90's which was the home of Underground music, a soulful dance music that House Music came from. There were two types of Disco music, if you will. There were the R&B groups who made Disco which we called Underground. The Clubhouse was opened long before the Warehouse in Chicago and the Shelter in NY and these clubs became "children" to the Mother. Dj's from all over the world wanted to play @ the Club House and it had resident DJs, such as Bryce, Tito, Gilbert, Mandrill, Niki (a female) and Sam "The Man" Burns just to name a few.
Just wanted to share info that is so often omitted!
Thanks
Posted by: Niyofu at June 5, 2007 03:17 PM
Hey everybody -
Thanks for the comments, and especially the additional info! There are so many more colors and flavors to the history and sound pallette of EDM that we could go on forever!
I didn't know those details about house music's background. Very cool! Great to have the names to do more research.
I do know that there is an unique and interesting history of dance music in DC, and Baltimore too. Some very interesting tracks coming out of Baltimore right now - mixing miami bass feels with tech-house...
For those of you interested in exploring techno a bit more - check out tracks by the following artist. Like many EDM producers he has tons of aliases:
Juan Atkins
AKA
Model 500
Infiniti
Model 600
Audio Tech
Triple XXX
Frequency
He was in the following "groups":
X-Ray
Cybotron
Channel One
Whew!
Posted by: Chris at June 5, 2007 10:19 PM
Very good breakdown and explanations for the uninitiated. Thank you for the education!
Posted by: chili pepper at June 5, 2007 10:29 PM
i LOVE THIS STATION,I WISH IT DIDNT TAKE UP SO MUCH ROOM
Posted by: Dede K Cates at June 6, 2007 01:21 AM
Great intro to the different electronic music genres. I'm looking forward to your next trip. I particularly enjoy the listing of various artists and tracks as examples of the genre. The series is excellent and the commentary succinct. Keep up the good work.
Posted by: david at June 6, 2007 07:43 AM
Thanks Kevin and crew for the great podcast series. It has even got me interested in music enough to get some music theory and composition books and learn more about how music works from the ground up. (and try stuff out on a sequencer!!)
For everyone who really enjoyed this episode and want to hear more of the different splinter genres in EDM, then you should check out Ishkur's Guide to Electronic Music at http://www.di.fm/edmguide/edmguide.html
Posted by: Simon at June 6, 2007 01:31 PM
Great podcast! I was able to pick up the differences on House, Techno, and Trance, but I was never able to really pick out the specifics of how they work in music theory. Awesome stuff, can't wait to listen to the next part.
Posted by: Jacher at June 6, 2007 02:44 PM
Not my favorite pod, but I do have a question, on the example about techno, Alexander Robotnik, Problemz De Ameur, am I listening too hard is the sound I'm hearing as simple as opening and closing the hi-hat that gives a kinda schwopie sound, or is it something else? I've heard this in a faster song, and since I do not have a machine in my brain that can separate each and every little sound like a recording studio might have I'm either listening for something that's not there or missing something that is?? Thanks Kevin. ssrb
Posted by: Sunshine/Rainbow at June 6, 2007 04:28 PM
Great job! This is a question that many people ask, so thanks for the reference point. Can't wait for the breaks and D&B podcast.
Posted by: Shabadoo at June 7, 2007 05:28 PM
Hi, guys --
Sunshine/Rainbow: I think that there's a flanger on the hi-hat on the Alexander Robotnik song, which adds to that schwopie sound.
I'm happy to hear you all like the examples in the genre sections, as well. Those were entirely Chris's selections, so he deserves all of the credit on that tip.
Posted by: Kevin Seal at June 11, 2007 12:39 PM
This was a great podcast. Thanks for the clarification!
Posted by: Laura at June 12, 2007 02:35 PM
So, if you're all so hot and knowledgable about the history of electronic music, and the roots... how come I can't get the Happiness Boys on Pandora? I mean, c'mon, man, Happiness Boys was so influential on each of these genres...
Posted by: Balsa at June 13, 2007 05:14 AM
Simon - great call on Ishkur's Guide to Electronic Music: http://www.di.fm/edmguide/edmguide.html
It's a fun and informative site that's easy to use. Definitely a good way to begin exploring the many microgenres of EDM. Beware tho! The site is peppered with lots of personal opinion and tongue in cheek humor - which I think adds to the sites charm.
Balsa - that's funny you mention the Happiness Boys. I remember them being on the radio when I grew up in South Florida. Currently their stuff is hard/impossible to get in digital format. I know they have a myspace page, and if they want to send us some cds we'll gladly include them!
Posted by: Chris at June 14, 2007 06:48 PM
(See, I didn't know the Happiness Boys' music myself, but I knew that Chris would. Rock on, Chris.)
Posted by: Kevin Seal at June 19, 2007 11:06 AM
hey guys,
this is a great chapter. I'm not going to lie: I never accually could understand the difference between Trance, Techno, and House. Very informative guys!
one thing you guys should add is deffetly a pause button in these things. it would be very very usefull to a lot of people I think.
Posted by: Andy at June 27, 2007 02:20 PM
created a station on each of the individual styles, great job on these podcasts.. It helps clear the air to all those that stamp all electronic music as techno.. lol..
Posted by: Joe Wilson at July 13, 2007 04:38 PM
Really had fun with this one, created a set of stations based on each of the styles, I would select them for quickmix and figure out which style they where coming from,and look at the screen to see if i was right..
Posted by: Joe Wilson at July 14, 2007 04:26 PM
Very cool. Good to hear, Joe.
Andy, if you want pausing capability, I highly recommend subscribing to the show, so that you can just play the MP3 in whatever music-playing software you like to use (Windows Media Player, iTunes, Musicmatch, etc.).
That's what I do, and that way I can pause, restart, rewind, and all that.
Posted by: Kevin Seal at July 19, 2007 11:50 AM
Great podcast. Very informative. If it's not too late to ask another question, I'm curious about the melodies in trance anthems. Are there specific keys or chord progressions that are often used for the synth and bass lines?
Posted by: Satori at October 12, 2007 04:30 PM
Hey Satori - thanks for the question!
There are no standard chord progressions in trance, per se. Though there are a few conventions:
Most trance uses modal harmony, and very simple modal harmony at that. Sometimes ethnic scales are used to impart a certain flavor, but that is the exception rather than the rule. Mainstream trance often leans toward more traditional pop harmonies - albeit simplified - that are often tonal.
I hope this helps!
Posted by: Chris Horgan at October 13, 2007 02:36 PM
Hi,
Thanks for the great show. I've been listening to a bunch of electronic music and thinking about it using the concepts talked about in the two podcasts. What about a group like the Orb? It's known as 'chill'. But it's not trip hop--no broken beats or anything. It's four on the floor. But it's not house, there's not the hi hat on 2/4 beats. And it doesn't have the progression and breaking down of themes as you have in trance. So, what do people who know electronic music well call it?
Thanks!
Matt
Posted by: MattD at October 23, 2007 04:03 AM
Hey Matt. Unfortunately, we couldn't cover every genre with these podcasts. So we focused on music made for dancing. Your observations about the Orb are def on point!
The Orb's music is typically lumped into:
electronica, ambient electronica, or IDM
Electronic music that isn't specifically designed for dancing.
Also check out:
Aphex Twin, Orbital, Future Sound of London, Air Liquide
BTW - saw Thomas Fehlmann do a DJ set late last year at Recombinant Media. Amazing! Synthetic all instrumental techno - very danceable. Great set!
Posted by: Chris at October 25, 2007 12:24 PM
excellent explanations!!D.J.,myself for over20yrs,good demos for all,concise ,and informative.Can't wait for more!!!!
Posted by: dsummers62 at February 23, 2008 04:55 PM
Great series. I listened to all 8 episodes today, but I had to download the episodes. Clicking "Listen Now" changes the button to yellow, but I don't hear any audio. Also, the Reggae episode cuts off at 7:37. I look forward to listening to the next episode. Thanks!
Posted by: san at March 31, 2008 11:20 PM
Hi, San,
I'll check out what might be going wrong for you... sorry to hear that it's posing problems.
DSummers62 -- glad you're enjoying the shows! Stay tuned, and we'll make more.
Posted by: Kevin Seal at April 18, 2008 04:58 PM
Yeah, I think some people really do have a very minimal understanding of 'electronica' and think that it's all 'techno.'
Yuck, techno is probably the least most interesting of them all. I say that as a guy who loved techno back in the early nineties (2 Unlimited were like my favourite group) – but I'm quite embaressed about that now. However, we should make sure that we still differentiate between 'commercial' techno (like 2 Unlimited) and what techno really is. Like in all music styles, the commercial styles are a far cry from the true styles that are out there – and I guess we all need to progress from commercial to authentic when we get interested in music.
Posted by: toys at June 3, 2008 09:30 AM