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December 15, 2006

Drums and Drumming, Part I


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Jeff AnthonyThe second edition of our music series explores drum grooves and the techniques drummers use to get "that sound." Pandora's host Kevin Seal and Pandora music analyst Jeff Anthony show how a basic backbeat can go from disco to hard rock with the subtlest of changes. Learn how drummers use the kick drum, snare and hi-hat to make a groove really groove. (8 mins.)

On the next page, see a list of the musical terms defined in this podcast, check out pictures of Jeff demonstrating his rhythmic techniques and listen to examples from well-known songs and famous drummers. Also, be sure to check out the second half of this show, "Drums and Drumming, Part II."







MUSICAL TERMS INCLUDED IN THIS PODCAST

Measure Hi-hat cymbal Bar Open/closed hi-hat
Quarter notes Ghost strokes Eighth notes Rimclick
Sixteenth notes Buzz roll Backbeat Four on the floor
Kick Linear drumming Snare & snares  



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Jeff Anthony hits the snare with his left hand, and the closed hi-hat with his right.

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Jeff demonstrates a standard rimclick: one end of the stick against the rim, the other end at the center of the drum.

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Jeff and Kevin in the live drum room at SF Soundworks, a Bay Area studio.



GHOST STROKES & GRACE NOTES

by James Brown (Clyde Stubblefield)

by Beck (programmed by Beck & Mickey Petralia)

by Fiona Apple (Matt Chamberlain)

by Dungen (Fredrik Björling)



FOUR ON THE FLOOR

by The Bee Gees (Dennis Bryon)

by Sheryl Crow (Jeff Anthony)

by The Rapture (Vito Roccoforte)

by Muse (Dominic Howard)



SYNCOPATED HARD ROCK

by Led Zeppelin (John Bonham)

by Black Sabbath (Bill Ward)

by Nirvana (Dave Grohl)

by Metallica (Lars Ulrich)



LINEAR DRUMMING

by Tower of Power (Dave Garibaldi)

by Tower of Power (Dave Garibaldi)

by Yes (Bill Bruford)

Comments

ROCK STARS, both of you! This is so freakin' good!

Thanks for the list of terms and the pictures. Nice touch.

Posted by: Lucia @ Pandora at December 15, 2006 03:24 PM

Thanks for listening!

We're entertaining the idea of changing the podcast's name. "Pandora Podcast Series" is accurate, I suppose, but a little dry.

Any suggestions? Something spicy but direct? Accurate while artful? Sweet also sour?

Posted by: Kevin Seal at December 15, 2006 03:30 PM

Another amazing podcast. They're very well done - informative, interesting, and entertaining, even for an experienced musician. Keep up the great work.

Posted by: Dana at December 15, 2006 07:18 PM

Keep this series coming, please

Posted by: Chris at December 15, 2006 08:10 PM

Hi

I can't find the RSS feed to enter into my podcasting client.

I'm using Creative's Zencast Organizer.

The feed should look something like this --

Podcast subscribe url:
http://magnatune.com/podcasts/xml/great_pianists.xml

Please let me know how to get the url feed for the Pandora Podcasts.

thanks, ron

Posted by: Ron at December 15, 2006 09:14 PM

I posted a question about getting the feed url, but figured it out.

Here's my answer -

http://podcast.pandora.com/pandora/podcast

I hope this may help others new to podcasting.

Cheers !

Posted by: Ron at December 15, 2006 09:22 PM

Good stuff like the last one. looking forward to the next drum podcast :-)

btw, the comparisons to existing songs (and links to samples of said songs) are appreciated. Pandora freakin' rocks!

Posted by: Joel Martinez at December 16, 2006 10:40 AM

Maybe "Pandora Box"!

Posted by: Gilles at December 16, 2006 01:43 PM

great job guyz,

keep this coming... its great...

G

Posted by: Gorkhali at December 16, 2006 02:10 PM

that was really helpful. my boyfriend and i just got a new drum set and we were haveing a hard time learning measures and stuff. that was really great. keep up the good work guys.

Posted by: jessica at December 17, 2006 07:21 AM

I just got to your music Pandora Podcast it's great.I'm new and hope to listen to many songs keep on doing a great job so long.

Posted by: paulette at December 17, 2006 04:41 PM

Ron got it right. :)

yup, the pandora podcast rulez~
i can't wait for the next feed already.

great job guys!

Posted by: saklas at December 17, 2006 06:37 PM

Good stuff. I'm a huge fan of Pandora, and getting this behind the scenes stuff is neat.

And as a 20+ year drummer, MORE DRUMS! :)

Posted by: Dan at December 18, 2006 09:53 AM

Cool, cool. I'm particularly thrilled that Jessica and her new boyfriend have been figuring out measure counts on their drum set, and that we could help with that. That makes me very happy.

So... names! Bring 'em on. "Pandora Box" is on the table (thanks Gilles). Maybe "Tearing the Music Apart"? No, wait, that sounds destructive, not constructive...

Posted by: Kevin Seal at December 18, 2006 10:03 AM

Hey! I'm from Russia, and I'm a huge fan of Pandora too ))
Great idea and great project.
Thanks for your work guys!

Maybe "Pandora Music Show" or "Pandora How It Works" would fit...

Posted by: Gleb at December 18, 2006 11:33 PM

pandora box has to be it. :) direct connection with Pandora.

Posted by: saklas at December 19, 2006 01:11 AM

hi, i started to play the drums about a year ago,
i still have so much to learn i bought a tama 5pc
are there any suggestions you may have--- resources so i can play and actually hold a beat-- i am having a hard time hitting the snare and base -- and hitting my hi hat/ crash and ride i am practicing but just not mastering it

Posted by: connie at December 19, 2006 07:42 AM

Hi Connie,

I recommend sitting on some stairs and placing your right hand on your right knee and your left hand on your left knee. Play 8th notes with your right hand and lift your left foot on the and of 2 and drop it on 3 and then lift it on the and of 4 and drop it on 1.

Then add your left hand and lift it on the and of 1 and drop it on 2 and lift it on the and of 3 and drop it on 4.

Once you have that mastered cross your hands so your right hand is on your left knee and your left hand is on your right knee and do it all over again.

This will probably take a few days to master, but keep with it and once you can do that pick up some sticks and jump back on the set and try it!

Hope that helps,

-Jeff

Posted by: Jeff Anthony at December 19, 2006 12:01 PM

Cool.
Thanks.
Been a bongo drummer for years.

Lary

Posted by: Laurence Crews at December 19, 2006 01:51 PM

I'm doing that hands-on-knees exercise in my computer chair, and already feeling more coordinated. Thanks for the pointer, Jeff.

Posted by: Kevin Seal at December 19, 2006 02:35 PM

Thanks heaps! I grew up with too much classical and never got enough music education of the last 100 years.
You guys are so very clear and concise I can't imagine anyone would get lost.
I thought it was strange I liked all different kinds of music genres. With the genome project my preferences makes more sense now.

Posted by: Ecco at December 19, 2006 03:47 PM

Thanks for the incredible podcasts and incredible website!! I can't get enough.

Posted by: Colyn at December 19, 2006 09:55 PM

Absolutely Fantastic. I could listen to podcasts like these all day. I am a huge fan of music, but a very poor musician, and already these 2 podcasts have me listening closer and recognizing things in songs I already liked. I have set the Pandora feed to "never automatically delete" in Itunes! PLEASE KEEP THESE COMING!

Posted by: mtt at December 20, 2006 06:44 AM

Thanks, Mtt and Ecco and Colyn! I'm glad you're enjoying these. We will keep making new podcasts, for sure.

Any topics you'd like to hear covered?

Posted by: Kevin Seal at December 20, 2006 10:44 AM

The two podcasts so far have been awesome. I've always had trouble understanding music on a technical level but these really help. (They also help explain some of the crazy terms used in the genome project.)

As for a name: "Pandora: A Behind the Sounds Tour".

Keep up the good work, Kevin!

Posted by: Reed at December 20, 2006 01:18 PM

What's a better word for "super"? Super duper, these podcasts are! You guys have done a fantastic job. I only wish the length of the program be longer.

As for a name suggestion for the podcast program, how about "Pandora Musicscope" (or soundscope, sonicscope)? The idea is that you guys are providing a magnifier/microscope for us to discover the underlying wonders of the music.

Posted by: Wei at December 20, 2006 03:16 PM

Thanks, Reed! Very glad it's working for you. I like "A Behind the Sounds Tour." I'll add that to our list of possibilities.

Posted by: Kevin Seal at December 20, 2006 03:29 PM

You guys have a crazy good thing going here. Please do an episode on saxophonists or jazz soon!

Posted by: Matt Merewitz at December 20, 2006 03:30 PM

Saxophones & jazz, eh? Check. I'm all in favor of any way in which jazz can seem less intimidating to people who lack a formal background in music. There's so much to listen for in the improvisation that doesn't require extensive harmonic knowledge. Cool idea, Matt.

Posted by: Kevin Seal at December 20, 2006 03:51 PM

That was awesome! I hope you can make these podcasts more frequent.

Posted by: ipot at December 20, 2006 04:29 PM

This beats the hell out of radio stations.

Posted by: raymond collins at December 20, 2006 05:16 PM

I just enjoy this so much. As a lifetime music lover but a "never going to happen" musician, I am learning why I really like some songs more than others.
I would call this "Music Appreciation for Music Lovers"
Keep up the great work.

Posted by: Ron at December 20, 2006 11:02 PM

More. Deeper. More Details. Me: pure greed for stuff like this.

Posted by: Volker at December 21, 2006 06:47 AM

We hope they'll be more frequent too, ipot. Starting in January, they will be.

Posted by: Kevin Seal at December 21, 2006 11:45 AM

I love the podcast! I like how Jeff would make comments about particular songs where you might hear the technique he's talking about.

I would also love to hear more about the situations he might have been in when working with the artists he's talking about ... maybe you could tease some anecdotes out of him, or other guests you have - you know, get them to tell some stories along with the information they're passing along.

It's just a thought -- I still loved the podcast, and I'll be back for more.

Posted by: Joe d'Eon at December 21, 2006 05:10 PM

I've always wondered, what makes the music tick for me. Your podcasts have certanly lifted the curtain.

Why not call it:

"Pandora's Box - Peek Inside"

or:

"Pandora's Box - A Peek Inside"

Linguistics, pick your choice!

Posted by: Toweri at December 21, 2006 05:53 PM

Hey Joe,

I will be happy to answer any questions you may have about a particular situation I have encountered while working in the studio or out on the road.

Posted by: Jeff Anthony at December 21, 2006 07:45 PM

This is awesome!!! I am learning how to play the drums, and this has really made me understand the details of it all. Thanks!!!

Posted by: Becky Rose at December 22, 2006 06:22 AM

Kevin, thanks for the reply! This is one of the reasons I love you guys... you actually go through all the feedback and promptly respond. Keep up the good work.

Posted by: ipot at December 22, 2006 09:10 AM

Hey! My pleasure, ipot! We'll keep responding as long as you keep listening. It's our social contract of sorts.

Rad that Becky is learning to drum. Yes, rad.

Posted by: Kevin Seal at December 22, 2006 10:15 AM

I love what you guys are doing here, bringing music to the common man. Just keep in mind that the information you're throwing out there is a lot to absorb for a novice. Maybe slowing it down a bit or adding a glossery of important terms to each podcast would be helpful.

Thanks, and keep up the good work.

Posted by: Scott at December 22, 2006 10:19 AM

Hey, Scott, I like the glossary idea a lot. I'm hoping that we keep expanding on that index, adding on new musical terms each time, one by one.

If you have any questions about the material that Jeff or I could answer for you, please fire away. You are correct that it is a lot of information that we run through quickly.

Posted by: Kevin Seal at December 22, 2006 11:04 AM

How about "Pandora's BoxCast"?

Posted by: er at December 23, 2006 08:45 PM

how about 'pancast'?
awsome podcast!

Posted by: alfie at December 24, 2006 09:54 AM

Speaking of ghost strokes, Chad Sexton of 311 uses them A LOT! Popular songs by 311 like All Mixed Up demonstrate his usage...it is especially true with Chad because he uses a snare with a nice high pitch crack (like a marching snare) so his ghost strokes are more recognizable. He's a very technical drummer so his ghost strokes add a lot of texture to his patterns, he was featured in Modern Drummer magazine for his use of ghost strokes. Hit me up on AIM if you wanna discuss more, my screen name is XC8316.

Posted by: Noah Yates at December 24, 2006 07:54 PM

Terrific! My 11-year old daughter and I just listened to both episodes. She was entranced! Really well done. How about some video of the drumming?

Please make sure music educators know about it.

How do we nominate you for a Grammy: "Best Educational Music Podcast"!

Posted by: Tom Melcher at December 25, 2006 02:58 AM

awesome work guys! i can't wait for the other podcasts. oh, and more drum stuff, lol!

seriously, thanks so much for the MG Project- i use it everyday and am now learning alot from the podcasts! thanks again :)

Posted by: Stan Guy at December 26, 2006 08:51 AM

i write to give thanks for pandora (i listen to it around 9h a day/6 days of the week)and these wonderful podcasts you came up with. I'm enjoying and have big expectations on them! I think many of us, pandora's listeners, are musicians, and it will be great to have the advice of experts like you about all these topics in which we are so interested.
Gooooood job, guys!

JotaEme from Spain.

Posted by: pandora lover at December 26, 2006 09:08 AM

Great work, really enjoyed the podcasts.
Entertaining and educational at the same time.
I especially liked the drumming part, looking forward to the next podcast.

Posted by: DvS at December 26, 2006 12:56 PM

Thank you so much, guys. We're glad you're enjoying these.

Interesting idea about shooting video, Tom... it would be great to see motion on some of these. Slo-mo sports replay style, as well.

Posted by: Kevin Seal at December 27, 2006 12:05 PM

Great job. I learned a lot listening to this, really. Thanks and keep at good work. Happy New Year!

Posted by: szeni at December 27, 2006 04:59 PM

Never knew that we can change the style so much with minor changes, awsome! Thanks for the info, nice podcast.

Posted by: VladsMail at December 27, 2006 10:06 PM

Hey Kevin. Just wanted to tell you how much I appreciate these podcasts. I'm a HS Music Theory teacher and played them for my classes. They're great because a) they aren't overly complex, but still offer solid, succinct and accurate information; 2) they make the average music listener think about music in ways they hadn't before; and 3) they're the perfect length--my classes were able to listen for the duration without getting bored or antsy. I also like the additional links posted on the podcast page where people can listen to examples cited during the podcast. It's great that you have the resources to be able to offer this additional material. Anyway, they're just great. I wish I had a suggestion, but I'm more interested in seeing where you go with it. Oh, I also like that you introduced a relatively unknown band in the vocal harmony podcast. I went out and bought their album the next day. I think the more you can use small independent bands like 20 Minute Loop, the better. Enough for now--great job!

Posted by: Frank Caravella at December 28, 2006 11:26 AM

Frank, you have no idea how happy that makes me to hear that. I'm thrilled that you can use these in your high school's Music Theory classes.

My high school theory teacher was great, but I wish he had been able to use contemporary examples.

Just wondering -- do your students take the AP Music Theory exam?


Posted by: Kevin Seal at December 28, 2006 12:56 PM

Pandora Soundlab

Posted by: JJ Yeo at December 29, 2006 12:17 AM

Yes. In addition to the basic music theory class we offer annually, we have a year-long AP Music Theory class offered every other year and the majority of students who take the class take the AP Music Theory exam. (and do very well, I might add. :)

Posted by: Frank Caravella at December 29, 2006 07:11 AM

But of course, Mr. Caravella... we wouldn't expect anything less of your students. Good to hear.

Cool that you bought the 20ML album. Way to support independent music!

Posted by: Kevin Seal at December 29, 2006 02:09 PM

Thanks Kevin and Jeff for the teachings, hosting and demonstration. It is great to learn many of the different bits of drumming. Many times that just get lost when the whole composition is playing. Separating it really gives a new dimension to learn it. Thanks!

Very, very good!!! Enjoyed every minute.

Many Blessings and a Happy New Year!

Posted by: Eduardo Bonsi at December 29, 2006 02:51 PM

It's so great to see these podcast used in the class room. I tell you, I wish I had these around when I was taking music theory, I probably would have gotten some better grades :)

Thanks Eduardo! I hope some of the future podcast will be even more enlightening. It is inspiring from my standpoint as a performer and student of music to be able to help others gain new insight to the beauty and power of music.

Posted by: Jeff Anthony at December 29, 2006 09:39 PM

Wonderful.....what an intro to podcasting for a newbie like me ....and of course to the subtle nuancesof drumming. I like this so much that I have introduced it to my 17 year old son who harbours a burning desire to learn drumming

Posted by: vik at December 30, 2006 11:32 PM

Excellent, Vik! 17 is a great age to start drumming. (So is 47.)

Posted by: Kevin Seal at December 31, 2006 04:58 PM

Think this is a great idea. Like the format, its short but informative and gives great examples to follow up on.

Posted by: Jon Burrell at January 1, 2007 03:32 AM

Right on. Glad you like it, Jon. More coming soon...

Posted by: Kevin Seal at January 2, 2007 05:35 PM

All I can say is: WOW! I enjoyed the vocal harmony episode as well, but as someone who has always dreamed of playing the drums and appreciated good drum playing (but was never really sure what was going on), I found this drumming podcast fascinating.

I empathize with some of the comments above. For the past several years, I've been trying to broaden my horizons with jazz, and also enjoy much of the modern 'tech metal' scene, but I fear that much of what is going on is completely lost on me. I *think* I may be starting to know what a polyrhythm is when I hear it, but who knows. And from an improv standpoint, I frankly don't know how to tell when someone is any good or just 'noodling' around. I realize this is a lot to expect from an 8 minute podcast series, but these are the kinds of things on my mind musically. I guess I should just take a musical appreciation course and see what happens.

In any case, I've very much enjoyed what has been presented thus far. Looking forward to the next episode!

I had first read about you guys a couple months ago in Wired, but never checked you out until today after I saw a spot about you on Current TV. Go Pandora!

Posted by: Karl Jenkins at January 3, 2007 08:54 PM

Wow, these podcasts are amazing, with just the right mix of music and explanation, keep it up!

Posted by: Phoenix Rider at January 4, 2007 12:27 PM

This cast is such a promising idea! Once again, Kevin (and guest), you have outdone yourselves... The education factor of this show is something vaguely akin to being taught how to appreciate a fine wine - you can enjoy it without the knowledge, but with the added information you gain a whole new appreciation for the nuances.

After listening to this piece, I suddenly had the thought that at some future point you should track down a synth artist and do a cast on how synths are effectively used in the various musical genres... Just a thought to mull over.

Again, great show - I continue to look forward to the rest!

Posted by: Jake at January 4, 2007 03:59 PM

Oooh, a synth podcast would be fun, Jake. I'm a keyboardist myself, so I have pretty strong opinions on that particular subject.

And Karl! Welcome aboard. I actually used to write for Wired:
http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/11.02/play.html

But enough about me.

Expect at least one podcast about improvisation coming soon. Also more on polyrhythms. Plenty in the pot, so to speak...

Posted by: Kevin Seal at January 5, 2007 12:31 AM

Really good boath of teh Podcasts...
Keep doin' it ; )

Posted by: Dan at January 5, 2007 03:21 PM

I would love to hear a podcast about the interaction of different instruments in specific genres of music, maybe pop-punk.

Posted by: Evan at January 5, 2007 06:04 PM

Hi, Evan -- you mean how guitar & bass & drum parts are often written to have interplay in pop-punk arrangements? That kind of thing?

If you have pop-punk examples to cite, I'd love to hear them. I'm trying to think how Green Day arrangements are similar or differing from those of Bad Religion or the Clash or the Buzzcocks. Interesting idea...

Posted by: Kevin Seal at January 5, 2007 06:41 PM

i think you guys are doing a grate job the vocal and the drums sound cool i play the guitar and lov to licten lots of guitar in music band like defleappead boston kiss metalica ps give US more feedback on guitar in the future sign GR
ANTIGUA AND BARBUDA

Posted by: guy reynold at January 5, 2007 06:48 PM

Hey, Guy,
Four days until our GUITAR podcast. Well-timed of you to suggest that. We hope you'll like it. We bring in the distortion, too.

Posted by: Kevin Seal at January 6, 2007 02:09 PM

The podcasts are great!
Basic concepts, very well explained. On top of the drumming podcast, I have re-listened to Led Zeppelin II, enjoying every single beat.
A remark only: the podcasts are too "dense" with information, explanations could be given at a slower pace (besides, I am a non-native english speaker).

Posted by: Luca at January 8, 2007 09:37 AM

These shows do cover a lot of ground very quickly, it's true. I will take your comment into consideration for the upcoming episodes.

As for L.Z.II, we are happy to provide any inspiration to re-appreciate John Bonham's brilliant drumming. What a fantastic album that is.

Posted by: Kevin Seal at January 8, 2007 09:54 AM

Names:

Pandora Letting music out of the box
Pandora Musicasts

Posted by: Lynn at January 10, 2007 12:18 AM

Thanks, Lynn -- we'll keep you posted on the potential title change.

Posted by: Kevin Seal at January 10, 2007 02:59 PM

like your lessions they are very educational

Posted by: terry slater at January 11, 2007 04:17 PM

Thank you, Terry. Glad to hear it.

If anybody has any drum questions for Jeff Anthony, please ask away -- he's on here checking comments as well.

Posted by: Kevin Seal at January 12, 2007 10:05 AM

wow pod rocks like united chronic tunes

Posted by: roger at January 14, 2007 01:00 AM

i really liked your class e very educational and insparing,hope i had one.

Posted by: madalena at January 18, 2007 12:52 AM

Thanks, Madalena!

Posted by: Kevin Seal at January 18, 2007 11:49 AM

thank you guys for pandora, I`m also enjoying!
I would love to see podcasts about jazz or a latino drumming!
a drum question for jeff anthony: can I find on anywhere the internet such lessions or similar like pandora`s podcasts about latino drumming?

Posted by: sergio at January 18, 2007 03:16 PM

I loved it!!
I like the Latino drumming idea... but all these podcasts will be awesome on a VIDEO... I love the sound of the podcast but I will love to see that drum being hit...

thank you!!! I like a lot this podcasts...
great job!!!

Posted by: Carlos Barcia at January 20, 2007 03:32 AM

Pandora is one of the greatest things in existance.
Thank you for your work!

Posted by: chronopandora at January 23, 2007 09:52 AM

this was EXCELLENT! keep up the good work. love it.

Posted by: rachel at January 23, 2007 03:24 PM

Thank you! I will tell Jeff, too. That's very kind of you.

Oh, and Carlos & Sergio -- the next episode (not today's, but the next one) is about the Elements of Salsa, and the percussionist on it is pretty astounding. I'm editing it together right now.

Posted by: Kevin Seal at January 24, 2007 11:01 AM

hi.

these pods are great.... you're realy doing something amazing here....

about the new name...

"Pandora Pods" ?

"The Pandora Sessions" ?

thank you

Posted by: amos at January 25, 2007 04:06 AM

I've been drumming for about 5 months now, and you're podcast has definitely given me a greater technical appreciation for the drums. I'll be checking back for more of your podcasts. You gentlemen are doing a public service. Many thanks!

Posted by: Matt Lawson at January 27, 2007 10:44 AM

You're quite welcome, Matt. Anything that helps people enjoy music more, whether it's playing it, writing it, or listening to it... that's why we're doing these.

Good luck with the drumming. Are you taking lessons, or teaching yourself?

Posted by: Kevin Seal at January 27, 2007 12:07 PM

I've been drumming for about 20 years as a an amateur, and I think you got a great idea for your second podcast, as I can see from the above comments; the vast majority of listeners mostly focus on the vocals, sometimes the guitar, but in general do not feel the subtle differences the drummer or bass player make. Nevertheless as you prove it in a interesting way, those variations are the backbone or background of a song, and I am happy that people learn drummers can tell a story with a bass drum a snare drum and a cymbal !!! (at least that's what I try to do when I play)

And thanks to Pandora for "helping me discover more music that I like"

Posted by: Cédric Poilly at February 3, 2007 02:14 AM

"Drummers can tell a story with a bass drum, a snare drum and a cymbal." Well said, Cedric.

Posted by: Kevin Seal at February 3, 2007 02:07 PM

Hi. Just wanted to say thanks! A whole LOT of thanks to you pandora-podcasters out there. I'm teaching myself a bit of drums (and e-guitar and bass, but drums are the most fun and I found it quite easy to get into it) and most of the things were not new though, but so easily-explained, that it was great to hear. Have been very happy about each episode up to now and looking forward to all coming ones! Any tipps for an autodidact, Jeff?

Posted by: Dan at February 4, 2007 10:42 PM

Hey Dan,

If you look up thread I posted some advice to another drummer. I also recommend this book "Progressive Steps to Syncopation for the Modern Drummer" by Ted Reed

That really is the only book you ever need.If your interested I can lay out a starter lesson if you get the book. Also Use a metronome ALWAYS. Never practice without one. I also recommend playing along to records. That is a great exercise.

Posted by: Jeff Anthony at February 6, 2007 12:08 PM

Wow just found this! You guys rock i love it

Posted by: Rod at February 8, 2007 10:38 AM

Extremely helpful for my begining drum exposure.
Thank you.

Posted by: Nick at February 12, 2007 01:25 PM

Our pleasure! Jeff and I are finishing up the sequel to this episode right now, and it will be posted soon.

Posted by: Kevin Seal at February 13, 2007 11:53 AM

I started drumming about 16 years ago, and a couple summers back started to teach a few friends some very informal lessons. I would usually have a few beats to practice, plus an eclectic collection of music with drumming at different levels and in different styles. A draft of my lesson plan outline, along with the playlists of selected beginner/intermediate/advanced songs are here:
http://mit.edu/manus/www/ear/drumsongs/

Maybe this is useful to someone?

Thanks for the podcasts!

-Usman

Posted by: Usman at February 13, 2007 10:42 PM

Hi Usman,

Interesting selection of music you have listed. I think the best way to maximize learning of a new song is to have your student, or you , transcribe 1 to 3 songs and learn them note for note. That is something I did and it had a profound effect upon my development as a musician.

Posted by: Jeff Anthony at February 14, 2007 09:45 AM

Dear Kevin,
I'm having trouble with Four on the Floor.
I personally enjoy this kind of pattern on music, but this morning I'm listening to Jamiroquai's "Virtual Insanity", and even when I know that my question will probably be answered on the next Podcast, I'll ask it all the same: What's the difference between, let's say the Muse example and the pattern used on Jamiroquai's "Virtual Insanity"?
Thank you very much for making music listening almost heavenly.

Posted by: Laura Marcello at February 15, 2007 05:36 AM

A-ha! I love very specific questions like this one. Thanks for writing in, Laura.

Jeff is better to field this, but I'll take the first crack at it:

"Virtual Insanity" is a much slower tempo, and it has swung sixteenths; the Muse song is more than twice as fast. But in terms of the drumming, most of the kick drum playing on "Virtual Insanity" is on the 1 and 3, and on the sixteenth notes before and after. If he was hitting the kick on 2 and 4 also, it might be closer to Four on the Floor.

Say you can count all the sixteenths like this:

1e+a 2e+a 3e+a 4e+a

The "Virtual Insanity" kick pattern is:

1e.. ...a 3e.. ...a

Whereas the pattern on Muse's "Butterflies and Hurricanes," once the beat comes in with full force, the kick drum is Four on the Floor like this:

1... 2... 3... 4...

Does that help? I know I'm only referring to bass/kick drum, but "Four on the Floor" really just describes that one component of the drum set.

Posted by: Kevin Seal at February 15, 2007 09:31 AM

Thank you, Kevin!
That was really helpful, now I know just what component of the drum set I have to listen to.

I don't know how to say it right, but I love listening to good music, and this kind of little things is what makes it even better... it's like learning to see but with newer and fresher colours!

Thank you, thank you, thank you. You are always on my Mp3 Player. Tons of music may vary, but the folder "Pandora" remains. And every 15 days, it gets even bigger.

Thank you!

Posted by: Laura Marcello at February 19, 2007 10:52 AM

Is there a podcast scheduled for improv technique? That would be a very interesting topic, and one that I could certainly use. Thanks for all that you guys do. It really is great. Keep up the good work.

Posted by: marimba_emma at February 19, 2007 09:21 PM

Thanks! There is one on improv technique, for which I'm developing the script at the moment. It's a tricky subject to break down into short episodes, which is why it's taking a while to iron out. But there is one (multiple ones, more likely) on the way.

Posted by: Kevin Seal at February 20, 2007 12:33 AM

Pandora's BeatBox

Posted by: David Carbee at February 21, 2007 07:10 AM

Brilliant podcast. I'm an amateur musician with a focus on 'electronic dance music', particularly trance. There may be some flourishes but it is almost gospel to have a 'four on the floor' beat around 140bpm.

I've experimented with adding different drum loops and breakbeats of all kinds but this podcast gives a real insight into the character of drumming and how it will affect a song.

So now I'll be laying down some of my own percussion to try out these techniques!

Posted by: Illusive Mind at February 21, 2007 04:23 PM

this is a fantastic podcast. offering education and understanding along with the music itself is a terrific plan. You've got such a good thing going on. Do your thang, cause i love it.

Posted by: Banne at February 23, 2007 01:13 PM

A great supplement for my beat deficiency..oom pow oom pow pow

Posted by: Maggie at February 26, 2007 03:38 PM

Thanks, guys! And yeah, four on the floor that quickly -- 140 bpm -- will start to get a gospel kind of feel. Have fun laying down that new percussion!

Posted by: Kevin Seal at February 26, 2007 03:53 PM

I love how you guys do these podcasts. They're so much fun to listen to! I learn a lot about the music I love, and you guys rock.

Posted by: Liz at February 26, 2007 04:57 PM

Most informative and enjoyable. A new educational
clip for my coninuing appreciation of music. I also
enjoyed your podcast on Electric Guitar effects.
Looking forward to future casts . . . . Great stuff!

Posted by: Ivan at February 26, 2007 07:19 PM

Pandora is the coolest thing to happen to music apprecieation and exposing people to amazing music that they, and I, would of never come across. I love the drumming podcast too, and the guitar one. Unbelievable things you are doing with music education. all my thanks, Patrick

Posted by: Patrick at February 26, 2007 07:26 PM

Thank you Kevin for sharing us the joy of learning the drums on this Podcast site. It's really helpful for some beginners like myself. Excellent!
Hopefully, you will introduce Guitar techniques as well in the near future for all the Pandora's listeners.

Thank you so much.That's really wonderful job well done.
Keep up the good work, Kevin.

Cheers,
Len

Posted by: Len Girvan at February 26, 2007 08:32 PM

My pleasure! I'm very excited to see that you're all enjoying the shows.

None of this would be possible without the players on each episode, as I'm just passing along what I'm learning from them. So with Patrick on the guitar one, and Jeff on these drum episodes (you've heard the second half of Jeff's as well, right), I want to thank them for teaching ME about their instruments, too.

(And Len, absolutely, there will be more guitar shows, and we'll certainly be delving into all sorts of guitar techniques, not just effects.)

Posted by: Kevin Seal at February 27, 2007 01:49 AM

It's great to get 'behind' the music and appreciate how it's put together, thanks for this, it's appreciated!

I think Pandora Podcast Series is fine for a name. A cute or snappy title could look a bit tired after a while. Dry is ok I think :)

Posted by: Calum at February 27, 2007 02:42 AM

Cool. Good to hear. I think we've arrived at the exact same conclusion, actually. Thanks, Calum.

Posted by: Kevin Seal at February 27, 2007 10:41 AM

That was fabulous. I've only ever played classical music, so drums are a complete mystery to me, and I learned a lot from this. Glad you sent out the email about it, and I can't wait to see what you do next! One suggestion -- for the complete novice, it would be helpful to have a photo or illustration of the instruments you are talking about. I can *hear* the bass drum, snare, and hi-hat, but it would be nice to know what to look for next time I'm watching a drummer, too!

Posted by: Gilly at February 27, 2007 03:14 PM

I always wanted to be a drummer just listening to jeff playing on audio makes me wanna get my hands on a drum sets. thanks pandora at least i know some basic info about playing drum.

Posted by: Ben at February 27, 2007 06:09 PM

Just a suggestion for a name:

Inside The Box.

Peace
Clint

Posted by: Clint JB at February 27, 2007 06:39 PM

Hey there!!

I´ve been looking all over the web, to find a cool free drum lesson´s web page, but i´ve gotta tell you it´s hard to find, so please, if you could give me some links, i´ll appreciate it, I´ve been a drummer for about 4 years, but I still need to improve my techniques, and i like watching others great drummers who give you little tricks and tips for getting better. Here I let you a link of a great schoool for percussionists and drummers with the best qualified teachers around the world, such as Horacio Hernandez "El negro", Gregg Bisonette, Ignacio Berroa, Dave Weckl, Peter Erskine, Giovanni Hidalgo, among others... Hope you enjoy it!
http://www.virtualdrummerschool.com/

Also you can visit my blog and let me a note... It´s all about rastafari´s facts and history.
www.rascarlos.blogspot.com

C-u!

Posted by: Carlos at February 28, 2007 04:02 AM

I was floored by the forethought of Pandora to include the musicians that patron this station. Being a drummer and looking to gain more experince in all types of music makes this even more enjoyable. I think you've open Pandora's Box, so (Pandora's Box Opened) is my favorite for a title to this venue. i say this because you have given the one's who play, listen and appreciate the very core of music. You can go so deep with this and bring out some true emotions, ideas and creativness to many. I'd like to see some rudiments and score sheets and perhaps real time lessons. Okay I guess you can tell I'm excited. See you all in a FLASH...Peace

Posted by: Flash at February 28, 2007 06:13 AM

Great podcast. This really appeals to all levels of music lovers. And thank you Pandora for bringing together a conglomeration dedicated to the study of sound waves.

We're on the email list so were here and listening. I guess it doesnt' matter what you call it. But I do send out urls of this to all my friends.

Posted by: Justin at February 28, 2007 08:13 AM

Thanks for helping us get the word out, Justin. Much appreciated. And we're glad that you've been enjoying the episodes.

Unfortunately, Carlos, I don't really think there -are- free drum lesson webpages out there. The only online drum lessons I've seen cost money. But good luck in your search.

Gilly -- you may not have seen the photos we have posted of Jeff's snare and hi-hat. We don't have a bass drum photo, but we have the other two.

Posted by: Kevin Seal at February 28, 2007 10:26 AM

i like it here please dont ever charge for this

Posted by: julio at March 1, 2007 09:50 AM

thanks- makes me what to finally get that drum kit I've been promising myself!
Cheers

Posted by: Tannis Pratt at March 1, 2007 02:38 PM

Thanks, guys.

Good stuff!

Posted by: john at March 2, 2007 03:13 AM

Hi music lovers,

Im a beginner in drums.This prog can help me to gain my skills.
Thanks Pandora...and please keep it going.

Cheers

Posted by: Jeff at March 2, 2007 11:58 PM

Great addition to an already wonderful site.

As a drummer/musician I really appreciate the opportunity to learn more about the craft.

Keep up the good work.

Cheers!
Todd

Posted by: Todd Quade at March 5, 2007 02:11 PM

ESA SERIE SOBRE DRUMS Y EN GENERAL PODCAST ES MARAVILLOSA!!!...GRACIAS.

Posted by: DINAJOM at March 6, 2007 03:49 PM

Happy to hear it! I learned a lot working on this one, too.

Does anybody have any questions for Jeff? He's open to field anything you have to ask.

Posted by: Kevin Seal at March 8, 2007 12:09 PM

Excellent podcast with Jeff Anthony on the skins. As a drummer I loved hearing the breakdown. Very instructive!

Posted by: George Goldtrap at March 25, 2007 01:40 PM

Thanks, George!

Posted by: Kevin Seal at March 27, 2007 04:21 PM

These podcasts are just awesome. They have completely changed the way I listen to music. Thanks for putting these together.

Keep up the great work!

Monique

Posted by: Monique Methot at April 1, 2007 02:14 PM

Another great job guys, always loved the drums and would one day like to play them but in the meantime can learn how to listen for all the diff ways they're played. Thanks again

Posted by: Sunshine/Rainbow at April 13, 2007 04:33 PM

great, informative, esp how he example the nirvana stuff and led zep stuff link it to metal, makes me want to try it out.. very cool, would like to see video, to get more of a visual look at what he's doing, still great

Posted by: mike at April 15, 2007 07:36 PM

Great! Glad to you hear you're enjoying the shows. Recording these sessions definitely inspired me to play more drums myself.

Posted by: Kevin Seal at April 16, 2007 10:48 AM

How would you define the drumming style of the drummer from Hawk Nelson ? (in the movie Yours Mine & Ours with Renee Russo)

Posted by: Julia at May 2, 2007 11:27 AM

I can't say that I'm familiar with the Hawk Nelson band... how would you describe his drumming?

Here's their Pandora bio page:
http://www.pandora.com/music/artist/c44177d00c95179a

"Bring 'Em Out" definitely sounds like the drums come from a punk context, but he turns the snare around interestingly.

Posted by: Kevin Seal at May 18, 2007 11:06 AM

Hi guy's,great drumming tech,Im a drummer myself,I have played drums sets I was 9 yrs old &I'm 50 now,shit I don't feel that old :) Just wanted to say hello!
Thanks,
Tama

Posted by: Allen Bergeron at July 30, 2007 11:40 PM

Hey guys,
I love this series. I am using these in a college on-line class I teach, History of American Popular Music (geez, I hope thats ok). I use these in the first week and make them listen to about 5 of them and quiz them on it! Can't wait for the electric bass one to come out. How about one on the role of the rhythm section??

Posted by: Jonathan Kutz at August 16, 2007 10:26 AM

Hi, Allen!

Jonathan, Thanks for asking. Absolutely, go right ahead and use these for your classes. Same goes for anyone else who wants to re-purpose these for educational use.

I'd love to see what the quiz looks like!

Posted by: Kevin Seal at August 17, 2007 07:46 PM

Hello, my name is Gudvin, I like yours blog.

Posted by: Gudvin at November 12, 2007 12:44 AM

Thanks

Posted by: mp3 indir at December 11, 2007 03:42 PM

Thanks ... !

Posted by: flodby at December 23, 2007 08:25 PM

Still a very helpful podcast - thanks!

Posted by: architekt at December 29, 2007 12:34 PM

Thanks ... !

Posted by: sohbet at January 1, 2008 06:34 PM

Wow excellent drumming the audio file is beautiful.

Posted by: Jeff at January 5, 2008 12:02 PM

You have very interesting site.Thanks for all.

Posted by: bilard at January 11, 2008 02:54 PM

Thanks for Work, good achievement

Posted by: diziler at January 13, 2008 09:05 AM

i love Drums!!! thx!

Posted by: SMS Massenversand at January 15, 2008 04:20 AM

thanks

Posted by: sohbet at February 4, 2008 02:33 AM

Alas, this one's getting spam-bombed. To comment, please see the most recent episode at http://blog.pandora.com/podcast

Posted by: Kevin Seal at February 15, 2008 12:34 PM

 
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