Canada

Much to our chagrin, on the heels of our being forced to block virtually our entire international listening audience, we now have to add Canada to the list (beginning May 16th). We had been hopeful that the licensing situation with our Northern friends might have some hope of imminent resolution. However, after a tough week, and in the wake of the substantial attention the blocking has clearly brought to this issue, it’s been made clear to us that we cannot continue streaming into Canada.
No need to reiterate just how difficult this is. It’s just a terrible thing for music that there’s not even a licensing structure available that would allow a webcaster to stream legally outside the U.S.
I’ll reiterate our commitment to fighting as hard as we can to fix this absurd problem – we only hope that reform will come soon so that we can get back to the business of listening and discovery.
My sincerest apologies.
Tim (Founder)

Pandora

The Pandora Team http://www.pandora.com/

269 thoughts on “Canada

  1. Pandora was awesome while it lasted…
    Gees, make it come back…NOW!!!

  2. Just wait, its going to get alot worse.By the time they get done the only thing you will be able to do is get cooking recipes.When that happens i will cancel isp and the isp’s will go out of business..

  3. Too bad your not broadcasting out of sweeden, they have no copyright laws to get in the way. thats the only reason thepiratebay.com still exists to this day

  4. I find this just mean and disgusting to Canadians. Pandora was an amazing program. I used it at School, Home and everywhere I could find a computer. Whatever law your told you to do this is simply disgusting. We Canadians have helped the Americans in plenty ways. And how do they treat us? Like dirt.
    I hope in some future we will get the respect we deserve.

  5. I absolutely loved Pandora, and I’m pretty upset that I’m unable to use it now. I can’t help but wondering if the CMCC (Canadian Music Creators Coalition) would do anything help us out? They would definately be able to generate the need publicity, there are some really big names in the member list. I know this isn’t exactly what they are working for, but I think it has some relevance. I think that Pandora is a great way to encourage Canadian music, I have found several new Canadian artists whose albums I have bought because of Pandora. Tim perhaps a letter explaining our situation would convince the Coalition to start promoting internet radio in Canada.

  6. That really sucks, you guys at Pandora are really on to something…and as for the music industry: f* them, if they think they can control the online global community …for every head they cut off two more will grow…this is a beast you cant fight, so either get with it or f*-off.
    Check out piratebay.net for all your music piracey.
    We are the people and we control the net. Peace.

  7. Demonoid I could understand! But, come on! I liked you!
    Now I know how minorities feel. When did Canuck become a racial slur?
    That’s right, I just called you a racist!
    (Sorry, I’m angst-y… I’ll miss it.)

  8. Its funny that there was Canadian Artists playing on pandora. I wonder if these songs are still playing on pandora since its blocked in Canada. Its classic, americans want to listen to canadian and international music, but they never let there stuff go out of the country. Take all give nothing, United-States to its best.
    Please come back to us A.S.A.P. we likes your services here in Canada, i even paid to help your cause and then it got shutdown SAD.

  9. The music industry is in a “trimming” stage. Too many current executives came into the industry with too many compensation expectations. Don’t worry, this is a dying breed, and as the suckling piggies retire, they will be replaced with more reasonably compensated gen-X folk who get in with lower expecations. Then they’ll start to work WITH the rest of us… I hope.

  10. Hey music companies, Banning pandora from Canada was the straw that broke this camel’s back. I used to buy 2-10 albums a month. when pandora got banned, i stopped buying all together. Please pass that along to all your artists and ask if its what they really wanted.

  11. You are right Alex, that is so true. Now that it’s harder for me to discover new stuff I don’t buy as much CDs than I used to. :D

  12. I bought at least 30 cd’s via the Amazon.com link. I have bought 2 since having been blocked. Music companies are cutting their own throats. The sooner they go bust, the better.
    M

  13. I hope Pandora comes back to Canada soon. There are simply no other sites out there to replace it. I am on last.fm, but it’s not the same. You have to pay for a customizable radio station. I had some hope when I discovered Slacker.com which is almost the same, but it turns out they have the same regulation problems as Pandora. I wish there was something we could do to get the govt. here to agree to letting us have Pandora back. There were tons of Canadians on Pandora, what a huge user loss! Internet radio isn’t worth listening to unless it’s personalized, so I guess I’ll stick with Windows Media, iTunes, and last.FM… for now. Cross your fingers for this year!

  14. hm…it has to be a way around… I feel like I am in North Koreea…
    best companion is now gone…

  15. I really miss Pandora.
    LastFM is not a suitable replacement. With LastFM, I find myself constantly asking myself “Now why would this song make it into the tag that I’ve searched for?!”
    I was able to let Pandora play for the better part of an hour before needing to skip a single song. It knew my tastes amazingly well.
    Bah.

  16. Obviously there are people here ready to raise the voice, let us know if there is something we can do :-)
    US Citizen, Canadian Resident!

  17. I wonder what’s going on. Do Pandora staff look at this thread anymore? Will we ever get Pandora back? I really miss it a lot.

  18. Hi Corona -
    We do indeed read every comment posted on our blog. I’m so sorry that Pandora isn’t legal in Canada. We do hope this will change, as we’d love to be able to provide Pandora to our Northern friends.
    Be assured: we haven’t forgotten about you, and we’ll post on our blog if anything changes!
    Sincerely,
    Lucia, from Pandora

  19. Its always that stupid CRTC. They mess up everything in this country. Look at the whole internet filtering going on by Bell and Rogers. CRTC are supposed to be good for consumers not bad.
    Could we all write to the CRTC or our local representatives to put pressure on them to fix our regulations? Canada is way to socialist with too many stupid laws.
    Can’t wait till your back Pandora.

  20. Seen this on the news today. What does it mean to Pandora in Canada?????
    Canada on Monday extended music royalties to the Internet in a move that will encompass commercial TV and radio station websites, electronic gaming sites and online radio stations.

  21. I saw the samething about royalties. I hope it will mean something for us here in Canada. Although I did send article to Pandora a few months ago asking them if this might apply to us but they never answered me. Hopefully, they will respond to the lastest news.

  22. So frustrating! I have family in the US and listened to Pandora non stop while I was visiting only to discover I can’t listen from home…
    If there is anything that Canadians can do from our end to help solve this madness, please let us know! From the look of it you have a great many fans that would be all too willing to throw snowballs at the jerkoffs who put a stop to our listening enjoyment!

  23. I miss Pandora SO much! I just moved back here from the US where I used to listen to it all the time. Looking forward to some sort of resolution :)

  24. @brad @ian
    That is unfortunately a different type of licensing than what we would need.
    @monica @laura
    I don’t want to hold out false hopes, but yes– Canadians can advocate for national licensing reform. An internet radio licensing system like the one provided in the USA by the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (or DMCA), despite its imperfections, would drastically reduce initial licensing costs by providing a statutory (or “one-stop”) license which would mean paying known flat royalty rates instead of negotiating with each royalty and rights-holder organization individually.
    @dan
    Nothing would make us happier at Pandora than providing music for free to the whole world. But as I mentioned in my response to Monica and Laura, the startup costs involved are staggering. You would probably be amazed at the legal costs of negotiating a licensing agreement with one single record company or rights-holder organization– much less every applicable one within an entire country. Until the global economic situation improves dramatically– or the international licensing landscape undergoes an equally dramatic shift– we really can’t say when this long-delayed dream of ours will come to pass. But we’ll never give up hope!

  25. Found another Pandora alternative for Canadians (but it’s not the same):
    http://www.deezer.com/
    I find it discriminatory that Pandora is having so many problems with its Canadian licensing, while Last.fm, imeem, youtube, and others are having no problems.
    Why is only Pandora still having problems? Maybe President Barack Obama can solve this issue! Add it to NAFTA. ;)

  26. I still miss Pandora.com, theres an obvious demand for it here and i think it would be stupid for us not to fight for the right to listen again America is a home the Free, and why can’t Canada be as well? I Dare you all including staff to fight for our right to the music, Start a petition spread the word of Pandora.com but whatever you do don’t be the type of person to ever give up, because thats why we don’t have Pandora.com now because we gave up right?

  27. When I heard Pandora was not in Canada I had a mental melt down. My tharapist helped me get past the worst but still… tears come to my eyes as I wright this. I dearly hope my favorate music station will be up and running… Untell then… Good-by my dear friend.

  28. Please, figure this out guys. I know you are dealing with Canadian CCRT b****it. We love Pandora and have been waiting patiently for over a year.
    Let us know what we can do. You provided us with an amazing service that is unmatched by anyone. WE WILL PAY FOR YOUR SERVICE. CANADA LOVES PANDORA.

  29. so youtube is okay, but pandora isnt?
    ill never understand how retarded government works.
    atleast people bought shit off pandora, and it was only audio, meanwhile, youtube posts videos and audio, and no one buys shit off it.
    i never used it, but i was going to start (with the palm pre thats coming out)

  30. I still miss you Pandora. Please come back to me. Last night I had a dream that I held you in my arms again. Every day that goes by without you is an eternity. Please come back to me.
    -Hooser

  31. ok I’m Canadian and all I can say is WTF??? Seriously there needs to be revolution here. Hulu, and pandora… great sites that someones got a stick up their butt about letting canada access those site… I don’t get it…

  32. @James–as we’ve explained above, it’s not something presently in our control. Licensing music legally to Canadian listeners requires a licensing agreement that could take quite some time to negotiate. It IS unfortunate but we do look forward to resolving this issue in the future. Hope you and our other Canadian fans can understand; we appreciate your patience in the meantime.
    -A

  33. “1. Is this a US or a Canadian issue? The short answer to that is that it’s a Canadian issue. There is simply NO license currently available to stream legally into Canada, for anyone. Not just Pandora. Int’l law mandates that all performers be paid and there is no body that has the rights to grant and administer this fee. So a ‘label deal’ doesn’t actually do the trick. You need the equivalent of the DMCA/SoundExchange combo that exists in the US.”
    I’d like to point out that this is bullshit. Almost every broadcast radio station in canada also streams their programming online. I can listen to radio stations across the country just by finding their website. I can’t listen to American stations, but I can listen to Canadian ones. It can’t be that hard if the local rock station in nowhere, northern ontario can broadcast online.

  34. @Jackie–Just to clarify, the quote you found refers to internet radio stations that broadcast from outside of Canada. You’re referring to intracontinental radio services. Broadcasting TO Canada, FROM Canada is not an issue.
    As well, you are referring to terrestrial radio stations that are available online. Terrestrial radio (anything you can tune in to with a standard radio receiver) is not subject to the same strictures as online radio. Even when they stream online, it’s still not the same thing as what we do, from a legal perspective.
    I bring this up not to chastise you but as an attempt to clarify the misconceptions we are dealing with in this matter. Hope that explains it.
    -Alee

  35. I’m not complaining. Canadians can download music freely with no punishment. We just can’t upload.

  36. make a huge huge huge petition from all provinces of canada so that in this time of crisis we can help artist by discovering them cause im tired of hearing pop music everywhere